Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Some interesting information on the fighting vehicles of the next logical Target in the BF storyline: http://spioenkop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/iranian-fighting-vehicles.html Interested to note they use Nork Ch'onma-Ho MBTs.....Although the picture provided looks just like a T-62 to me: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Aren't the earlier Ch'onma-Hos essentially unmodified T-62s anyways? The Iranians have a very interesting and eclectic mix of East-West equipment. Most of the Western stuff is falling apart due to age and a lack of spare parts. Their ex-bloc style equipment was also eyebrow raising, I remember them announcing their new MBT....which was quite clearly a T-72 knock off. I remember enjoying playing the Iranian-Soviet hypothetical scenario in Graviteam; was an interesting match off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rinaldi said: Aren't the earlier Ch'onma-Hos essentially unmodified T-62s anyways? That's pretty much my understanding, although I thought they were supposed to have NERA/ERA modules.....I'm not seeing any on the tank above, or indeed anything to distinguish it from a T-62. 4 hours ago, Rinaldi said: I remember enjoying playing the Iranian-Soviet hypothetical scenario in Graviteam; was an interesting match off. I've been looking at similar scenarios using CM:A, TBH my 'Fragmentistan' stuff could as easily be set in Iran in the early nineties.....If you like battles with lots of T-55s & T-62s you would enjoy it. Edited March 15, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 One vehicle that caught my eye was T-72 "Khorramshahr". Apparently, a Ukranian upgrade that looks like a T-90a. Can it be a T-72 with a T-84 turret? After a quick google search, I didn't find much under that name except the Karrar tank. Which looks like a T-90ms, and I would guess the development of this "Khorramshahr". If we get Iran in CM -- I want this! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 We'd need an S version (no APS, no Shtora) version of the current CM:BS T-90AM to model it well.....The current CM:SF T-90SA is probably a reasonable match, capability wise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, DerKommissar said: One vehicle that caught my eye was T-72 "Khorramshahr". Apparently, a Ukranian upgrade that looks like a T-90a. Can it be a T-72 with a T-84 turret? After a quick google search, I didn't find much under that name except the Karrar tank. Which looks like a T-90ms, and I would guess the development of this "Khorramshahr". If we get Iran in CM -- I want this! Definitely a sexy color - like the black luxury cars you see all over the place. A daily driver to work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Erwin said: Definitely a sexy color - like the black luxury cars you see all over the place. A daily driver to work? Indeed. They are thinking ahead. That black scheme will be needed when Earth gets invaded by Monoliths. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) I think it's named for the sound it makes as its tracks crush the bodies of the aliens (or infidels - take your pick): "Khorramshahr". Edited March 15, 2018 by Erwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Khorramshahr is an Iranian missile, not a tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorramshahr_(missile The Karrar doesn't look terribly Ukrainian to me: I'd say it's derived from the T-90MS.....Indeed I'd say it almost certainly IS an export version of the T-90MS. PS - Wondering if the black paint isn't to hide all the little details it lacks, like a LWS.....It's visible on the MS but I can't see the sensors on the Karrar. Edited March 16, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 44 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: I'd say it's derived from the T-90MS.....Indeed I'd say it almost certainly IS an export version of the T-90MS. Oh, when you put them side by side, I have little doubt. The cannon, MG and mantlet are the only thing that looks different to me. Is that an earlier 125mm smoothbore cannon? Do you see that long barrel sleeve-mantlet thing? What is that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, DerKommissar said: What is that? Thin sheet metal by the look of it.....In a couple of images it looks slightly tail heavy, which does make me reconsider the possibility that it's actually a T-72 with a funky new turret, perhaps the new bustle is more than the rear torsion bars can handle? Are the road-wheels T-72 type they look different to those on the T-90MS.....I don't know enough about them to be sure? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Turns out there is indeed a Khorramshahr tank.....The T-72 Khorramshahr: Apparently the welded turret is Ukrainian handiwork and it has Kontakt-5 ERA (as you can see). FWIW PS - If you stuck a turret-bustle and some side-skirts (plus some sheet metal) onto that thing, then painted it black..... Edited March 22, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: PS - If you stuck a turret-bustle and some side-skirts (plus some sheet metal) onto that thing, then painted it black..... It would be cool to drive around South Kensington with all the other super rich Arabs and their toys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Turns out there is indeed a Khorramshahr tank.....The T-72 Khorramshahr: Apparently the welded turret is Ukrainian handiwork and it has Kontakt-5 ERA (as you can see). FWIW PS - If you stuck a turret-bustle and some side-skirts (plus some sheet metal) onto that thing, then painted it black..... That's what I'm saying, man. It would explain the weird angle of the hull, lack of thermal imager and the old gun. I am curious if they added the weird sheet metal on the gun to make it look sci-fi and new. Your link had plenty of examples of funky engine decks on old Soviet models. The engine exhausts look different to me, Karrar looks like a stock T-72. From what I understand, both the T-90Ms and T-84s needed new auto-loaders to mate the new gun with the new turret-bustle. So the question is: which auto-loader/cannon combo are they using? Just a good shot of the T-84's gun for comparison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) @DerKommissar Turns out the Khorramshahr was indeed a T-80/84 turret & gun on a T-72S hull and we now know the Karrar is also built on a T-72S hull (& turret too, by the looks of it): https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/10/karrar-tank-revealed-to-be-upgraded-t-72.html So the 'new' tank is actually a significant retrograde step from the older proposal. Edited February 10, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Updated link for the site in the original post: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/01/the-oryx-handbook-of-iranian-fighting.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 Gur Khan has a bit more on the Karrar: https://gurkhan.blogspot.com/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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