RLW Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I just watched this video on muzzle breaks. My question is does CM model the effects of muzzle breaks and muzzle blasts in general such as smoke obscuration patterns and blask risk to near by infantry`? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, RLW said: My question is does CM model the effects of muzzle breaks No 1 hour ago, RLW said: smoke obscuration Yes 1 hour ago, RLW said: and blask risk to near by infantry`? No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Vanir Ausf B said: Quote and blask risk to near by infantry`? No And this constitutes a moderately serious breakdown of realism. After about 1942, being close to a tank's forward half circle while it is firing its main gun was sort of like standing close to a grenade when it goes off, save for the absence of fragments. It was one of the factors discouraging exposed personnel from hanging around too close to them when fighting was going on. As the war went on and guns got bigger and packed more propellant, this got worse. Troops in the forward quarter of a tank and within, say, twenty meters, should undergo a minute or two of stunned suppression. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 OMG. Must be a friggin' academic. Takes 20+ minutes to explain something that takes 30 seconds. Start watching at 6.30 and you'll know it all in a couple of minutes and save 20 minutes of your life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Malan2 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I think you will want to be talking about muzzle brakes. As in a brake (for the recoil) at the muzzle. The risk to infantry of a muzzle break would be shrapnel! And: just one of the necessary simplifications. You know that friendly fire goes through tanks? HE effect is reduced to allow for game engine driven restrictions of. Troops spreading out? There are more. I think self damage would be a whole can of worms. Want your area fire commands cancelled because the firing unit is worried about friendlies in LOF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Plus it would be problematic to code for enemy AI controlled tactics if armour was restricted in firing due to the proximity of crunchies in the vicinity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 15 hours ago, Wicky said: Plus it would be problematic to code for enemy AI controlled tactics if armour was restricted in firing due to the proximity of crunchies in the vicinity. I don't think that was much of a consideration in the war. The tankers fired if and when they pleased and the crunchies looked out for themselves as best they could. I expect that oftentimes the tankers could not have told you where the crunchies were in their vicinity in any kind of comprehensive way. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I think the issue of modelling the effects of muzzle blast is a non-issue. The primary effects were dust being kicked up, which is modelled. Remember that a lot of friendly fire is not modeled in CM, and I chalk this up as being another example of that. As to the video, I really liked it. Saw it some weeks ago and found it very informative. Yeah, Lindy tends to talk a lot, but I honestly enjoy it. He covers topics very thoroughly which I appreciate. If I wanted a 20 second run down I could just wiki it after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Oh its lindy beige. yeah if you want something rage inducing watch his video about the mg42 vs bren. I like the guy but he needs to stick to dark ages stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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