Boomkow Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Having looked at the WitW OOB and TOE in some detail ... that's a terrible idea.How is it terrible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Look in WiTE. Tell me how many Mausers there are in a German Battalion. What is the make up of an HMG team. How many rounds do they carry of what type and who has what. Not a "terrible" idea per se. Simply just not an idea at all. You can see the make up of a squad. but you can't see the breakdown of any unit higher to see what the HQ element for example would have. In CM - you purchase a Battalion. You then see what the breakdown of the battalion is. How many companies, platoons, squads, HQ elements and what each carries. WiTE tells you what a squad carries (w/o the variation that CM also has that is a big one - WiTE only does the ToEs, they don't allow for the variations that a ToE would have which CM does.). Tell me where you find the make up of a pltn HQ in WiTE....Different games, different needs. Don't take this as a criticism of WiTE. They don't need that info. I don't play it so much anymore, but every now and then I'll haul it out. I actually prefer WiTP Simple reason is I love ships and no one else has really done anything with the pacific war. I'd pay double to see CM do pacific theater so I could do a Guadalcanal campaign. We are getting no love for the Marines in WW 2 (or the SNLF for that matter). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 In addition to the excellent points @sburke makes about the scope and scale of the data sets in each game being quite different, I think the data itself in WitW is a bit suspect.I've only really had a look at the Allied airforces so far, but there are a LOT of examples of missing units, wrong-sized units, units present which should not be, and the wrong a/c being present in units. To give a specific example, RAF Transport Command contains a total of 19 squadrons. Of those 19 units, two should be deleted (one flew strat transport out to Malta and India, and the other flew missions supporting SOE in occupied Europe), another should be added, one should be a bomber unit rather than a transport unit, and three others have the wrong a/c assigned. For another example, all the squadrons in 2TAF were allocated 18 a/c but in WitW they only get 16, while in Bomber Command the official TOEs included establishments of 16, 18, 24, 25, 27 and 30, but in WitW they all have 24.I'm confident there are good gameplay reasons for these things, most of them at least. The Bomber Command sqns all being the same size makes them much easier to manage. But it also makes the data in the game somewhat suspect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 While I agree that looking at WitE for CMRT. TOE and OOB would not necessarily be helpful, I don't see why researching these items could be a reason for delaying content. First, they've already done the work in CMBB, and I dub the there been much "cutting edge" research into WWII Hungarian TOE since then...second, it seems like they could outsource most of this research to players, but relying on internal resources for quality control.personally I don't care if the Hungarian platoon leader is carrying the wrong pistol or if a squad member has one too many magazines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 personally I don't care if the Hungarian platoon leader is carrying the wrong pistol or if a squad member has one too many magazines.Be careful what you say. We have helmet liner grogs on this forum for crying out loud.and to repeat, no one has said to my knowledge that ToE research is holding anything up. Getting the new store up and running seems to be the difficulty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 ..., I don't see why researching these items could be a reason for delaying content. ..Did I miss something? It has never been my impression that the TO&E research is has held anything up. Did Steve or Chris say that TO&E research was delaying anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) they've already done the work in CMBB, and I dub the there been much "cutting edge" research into WWII Hungarian TOE since then...True, but the particular structures used by the game have changed substantially. There is also a LOT more variety of TOEs, and detail in them, than anything imagined for CMBB. personally I don't care if the Hungarian platoon leader is carrying the wrong pistol or if a squad member has one too many magazines.Some folks, bless 'em, do. And they noisily will let BFC know if they used the wrong shade of feldgrau for forces in the the southern Ukraine in the second half of 1943. Edited February 9, 2016 by JonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhedgwich Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Steve said long ago they have no desire to model such marginal forces again. I call BS on that! They are adding Brazil to CMFI. If they are adding Brazil they can add Romanians and Hungarians. Luke you are so negative Edited February 11, 2016 by lordhedgwich 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I call BS on that! Do a search on forum posts then. Do you think I made up that reply out of thin air?They are adding Brazil to CMFI. If they are adding Brazil they can add Romanians and Hungarians.They are adding Brazil, because it's a very easy thing to do.Luke you are so negative If you say so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhedgwich Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Do a search on forum posts then. Do you think I made up that reply out of thin air?They are adding Brazil, because it's a very easy thing to do.If you say so. I am sure he said it buti call BS they wont do it.. It just makes sense and Hungarians would be a total selling point I would pay like 75 bucks for that lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 BF also adapts based on changing circumstances and new info. What they may or may not have said doesn't mean they absolutely will or won't. We can always keep asking, it doesn't hurt. Hungarian at least gets my vote. I'd love Romanians too, but if I have to choose..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhedgwich Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 BF also adapts based on changing circumstances and new info. What they may or may not have said doesn't mean they absolutely will or won't. We can always keep asking, it doesn't hurt. Hungarian at least gets my vote. I'd love Romanians too, but if I have to choose.....Yeah i would rather see Hungarians also, but I feel like Romanians would be fun too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm pretty sure the best someone from Battlefront has promised about Brazil is a "solid maybe". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhedgwich Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm pretty sure the best someone from Battlefront has promised about Brazil is a "solid maybe".Doesnt really matter I dont care about Brazil (no offense) would much rather see Hungarians 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm pretty sure the best someone from Battlefront has promised about Brazil is a "solid maybe".Brazil has been confirmed by Chris. He mentioned it in one of his recent videos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Brazil has been confirmed by Chris. He mentioned it in one of his recent videos. No you misunderstood. That was a reference to various hair effects. He said beards and Brazlians were in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Brazil has been confirmed by Chris. He mentioned it in one of his recent videos. Okay, cool. I wonder if this is because of Cassio's influence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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