BTR Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I wonder, why M242 armour penetration is better than 2A72. According to wiki fo AP round both have equal muzzle velocity (1.100 m/s). It is quality of rounds only or something else? I think the M2 has 25mm APFSDS-T in game which does attribute higher penetration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Ha not really.TI sight on T-72B3 (the only system that is actually in service with TI sights in the game at this time), gunner sight protocol is TI, then day optic, then back up gun sight (which is basically a view port). Maybe 1 or 2 generations behind 10 years ago but not now. Thales Catherine-FC TI imager (I know doesn't have the same level of zoom than that of M1 imager), should be just as good at spotting at 1km away as an M1, further then yes there is the case for M1 better at spotting, however examples I have used have been at 500m The real issue with the Catherine is it has similar sensitivity to late 90's-early 2000's Thermal optics, but it does not have the ability to maintain resolution on the move or while scanning. It's part of the downgrade process, until you really see the design entirely reverse engineered and built into a Katherine The Great-FC, or more advanced indigenous designs, it's simply not a comparable optic system. Further if we're whining about spotting times, it's worth nothing both the commander, and gunner on Bradley and Abrams type vehicles have access to fully independent thermal optics, which is to say more eyeballs, while most of the Russian platforms do offer commander's optics, but they are generally day/IR of some manner. It's a lot easier to find something in a 180 degree arc with two thermal optics covering 90 degrees, than one scanning 180 Addendum: I think the M2 has 25mm APFSDS-T in game which does attribute higher penetration. This. And they're DU too. There's accounts of them going through frontal armor on T-62/T-55 vehicles which might be obsolete for a tank, but they're still pretty thick armor compared to most IFVs. Re: Thermal generations I have no idea either. There's so many "GENERATION 2.5+!" or the like I've just given up. Edited March 5, 2015 by panzersaurkrautwerfer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey K Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hm, I'very read that m242 APFSDS round has tungsten core. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The 25MM M919 round is chock full of that kid tested, mother approved depleted uranium. It's the standard go to war AP round for the 25 MM these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 So does BMP-2M. They both have the same thermal gunner optic also, with variable zoom. Another carryover from CMSF in spotting ability im guessing also... Such 'murican superiority on this forums is truly telling. If you think something is wrong, run some tests and submit the results here for review. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I wonder, why M242 armour penetration is better than 2A72. According to wiki fo AP round both have equal muzzle velocity (1.100 m/s). It is quality of rounds only or something else? 2A72/2A42 should use tungsten saboted round also. DU rounds obviously have alot of penetration capability, but so does a Tungsten penetrator against something like an opposing M2 IFV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 If you think something is wrong, run some tests and submit the results here for review. Go and look in the other optics thread. Vanir tested it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewood1 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I am in that thread. I saw that. He tested it because no one else really brought anything to the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The 25MM M919 round is chock full of that kid tested, mother approved depleted uranium. It's the standard go to war AP round for the 25 MM these days. Isn't the APFSDS tungsten? According to what General Dynamics tell that is. Linky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Narp. I don't think the DU round is listed for sale and the earlier generation tungsten ones are quite common on the export market. Think its M791 in US use. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) M791 is APDS. I don't think a 25mm tungsten APFSDS round has ever been in US service. For game (as of v1.02), Russia has 3UBR8 tungsten APDS in legacy vehicles (BMP-2, BTR-80A, MT-LBM 6MB), 3UBR11 tungsten APFSDS for modernized vehicles (BMP-3/3M, BMP-2M, BTR-82A). Ukraine has just 3UBR8, or maybe even 3UBR6 AP. Which reminds me, does anyone have reliable penetration stats for 3UBR8? I am finding figures that are all over the place. Edited March 5, 2015 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thought there was an earlier round without DU but again not exactly my field of direct exposure. Either case is the modern US AP has DU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey K Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 What model of antiarmour 30x165 mm ammunition is modeled in the game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 For game (as of v1.02), Russia has 3UBR8 tungsten APDS in legacy vehicles (BMP-2, BTR-80A, MT-LBM 6MB), 3UBR11 tungsten APFSDS for modernized vehicles (BMP-3/3M, BMP-2M, BTR-82A). Ukraine has just 3UBR8, or maybe even 3UBR6 AP. Ill take that to mean things are being tweaked. Noice. 3UBR11, I have seen quotes for UBR8 between 25mm and 50mm RHA at 1000m. Its probably best to extrapolate from what you have already ingame for UBR8 into UBR11 by a magnitude of the change to the penetrator and propellant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 What model of antiarmour 30x165 mm ammunition is modeled in the game? Ahem... http://community.battlefront.com/topic/118682-bmp-3m-mech-inf-vs-m2-mech-inf-tactics/?p=1592221 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey K Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Ahem... http://community.battlefront.com/topic/118682-bmp-3m-mech-inf-vs-m2-mech-inf-tactics/?p=1592221 Whoops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 25 mm Bushmaster DU round is PGU-20. GD just doesn't say so in the main ammo list, so you can't tell until you look at the product sheet. http://www.gd-ots.com/download/25mm%20PGU-20%20API.pdf Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 25 mm Bushmaster DU round is PGU-20. GD just doesn't say so in the main ammo list, so you can't tell until you look at the product sheet. http://www.gd-ots.com/download/25mm%20PGU-20%20API.pdf Regards, John Kettler Aircraft can't use APDS/APFSDS, so this is a round designed for aerial cannon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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