Placebo Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This looks like an awesome weapon system, anyone know why it would not be used by the US in the Ukraine? I do not see it in the units list 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This looks like an awesome weapon system, anyone know why it would not be used by the US in the Ukraine? I do not see it in the units list I am pretty sure this and the MLRS aren't in because they wouldn't be used at this level of combat (At least what BFC really wants to concentrate on), or because they are just simply too destructive. Remember this system is literally called "A grid square remover", anything caught in the kilometer wide spread of these systems will be dead. Ever hear of "Steel Rain"? it didn't get that nick name for nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well, it would be an off-map support asset. But, with a unitary warhead, I think it'd be a blast to have in-game. Expansion pack? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I am suprised there is no BM-21 for Ukraine, or Russia. I am also surprised that there is 2S7 Mialka and no BM-30. Especially now you can get Glossnass guided rounds for the 9A52-4 Tornado-S version of the BM-30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 There were rockets in CMSF too, although just the shorter range redfor stuff. Two ways I'd take it: 1. They're not in because in a higher intensity conflict, those assets would be tasked with more interesting targets (command posts, bridges, logistical nodes, artillery firing positions etc)/the really long range stuff is purposefully kept off the table in scenario to avoid escalation out of the Ukraine 2. They're going to be added in future additions. The CMSF packs while focusing on the USMC, Brits, NATO etc often included little one off things for the base game's factions. Could be CMBS's first expansion "Hanging the Wash on the Donbass Line" is mostly the UK, but it includes rocket artillery, A-10s and 2S7 support options for the base faction or something. US rocket artillery isn't commonly used too close to the front line, it's usually reserved for the "interesting targets" I described or special occasions sort of thing (like Division/Corps level offenses). That said given how ATACMS have been used in the last few years, it might be an interesting choice in terms of a large unitary warhead type weapon against precision targets. Not exactly advocating it, simply saying if we started tossing in HIMAR/MRLS stuff, it might be more reasonable than steel rain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I am pretty sure this and the MLRS aren't in because they wouldn't be used at this level of combat (At least what BFC really wants to concentrate on), or because they are just simply too destructive. Remember this system is literally called "A grid square remover", anything caught in the kilometer wide spread of these systems will be dead. Ever hear of "Steel Rain"? it didn't get that nick name for nothing. GMLRS (GPS guided unitary HE) is regularly used in battles at the CMx2 scale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yup, we need GMLRS. Grid square removal is no longer relevant for US MLRS as the ammunition is banned and awaiting an alternative warhead replacement. HIMARS with GMLRS and the Russian Tornado-S equivalent would fit very well in CMBS and would complement our excellent new precision artillery feature. We can assume that any grid square removing the Russians might do would be off-map (although I'm not sure I agree with that entirely). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 We can assume that any grid square removing the Russians might do would be off-map (although I'm not sure I agree with that entirely).Given how completely grid squares can be removed, it'd suck to have to sit through one as part of a scenario... :-/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 MLRS are a possible future addition for Black Sea, although they are an edge case. Personally I'd love to see some giant unitary warheads being used to obliterate something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The entirety of the AFRF still maintains BM-21 - which was also in CMSF. Only certain units maintain BM-30, of which none as yet have been given PGM Tornado-S platforms afaik. But it is planned by this year, so its within scope of the game when bearing expansions in mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placebo Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 MLRS are a possible future addition for Black Sea, although they are an edge case. Personally I'd love to see some giant unitary warheads being used to obliterate something. fingers crossed then for a future "weapons pack" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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