Apocalypse 31 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've always wondered what the pilots are saying in-game. I've worked with CCA (Close Combat Aviation) and CAS (close air support) in Iraq. I understand what the chopper pilots are saying, but I've never heard any of the lingo that you hear the CAS pilots use in-game. So I looked it up... "Dash 1 is in the pop" "DASH #" is used to determine the order of march for aircraft in a flight. "POP" is when an aircraft is beginning to climb for a ground attack. JTACs conducting training gun-runs with A-10's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 What does "You are under positive control" mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've always wondered what the pilots are saying in-game. I've worked with CCA (Close Combat Aviation) and CAS (close air support) in Iraq. I understand what the chopper pilots are saying, but I've never heard any of the lingo that you hear the CAS pilots use in-game. So I looked it up... "Dash 1 is in the pop" "DASH #" is used to determine the order of march for aircraft in a flight. "POP" is when an aircraft is beginning to climb for a ground attack. JTACs conducting training gun-runs with A-10's Interesting, thanks. And after "Dash 1 is in the pop", the JTAC replies: "Roger, cleared HOT", wich means as much as "You are cleared to engage". EDIT: Here is the complete communication as hear it in-game: Stand by for CAS request. Roger, en route to I.P. Inbound for attack, 30 seconds out. Dash-1 is in the pop. Roger, cleared hot. *sound of A-10 strafing run* *sound of jet passing overhead* Egressing from target, I am winchester. Can someone translate the not so obvious lines? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 "I am winchester" = No more ammunition. No reason to hang around and be shot at if you can't shoot back. "Egressing from target." so you don't become one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFC Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 "Roger, en route to I.P." From what I remember from my untrained observer class a couple years ago, IP is Initial Point. It's a general point on a map (sometimes a landmark) to give the pilot a place to loiter and vague direction of attack. I was told JTACs can dictate IPs. For untrained observers, the pilot will go to the IP he chooses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 CAS piloted and / or drones will IMO become much more important as we try to protect our forces. Get ready for new CAS slang. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgar Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Further reading on this issue, including all the terms: http://www.navy.mi.th/navedu/stg/databasestory/data/laukniyom/ship-active/big-country-ship/United-States/ATP/atp63.pdf Sincerely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 What does "You are under positive control" mean? I did the scripts for the UK JTAC dialogues based on what was written in Ed Macy's two books 'Hellfire' and 'Apache' which described his experiences as an Apache pilot in Helmand. I'm no JTAC so can't speak with any authority but my guess is that this would indicate that the JTAC can see the air asset, the target and friendly forces and can therefore actively give target indications to the aircrew. My other supposition is that if there was an incident requiring investigation such as a blue on blue or civilian casualties, then this dialogue can be used to establish the circumstances of the attack. If under positive control then the investigation would probably focus on the actions of the JTAC. Hope this speculation is useful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Thanks. Good to know... I hear that a lot with Brits air support, but often they don't seem to see the target if it's area, only if it's a point target. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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