Soma Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hi there ! I know, this might be a little off topic, but I've read at the Wargamers Combat Mission page, that "International customers pay only $37". But here at the preordering page the price is $45. So what ? Is there a special offer for international orders or is the price the same for all offers (+ the poster for all) ? What about a very special offer for us germans ? Hey, we've lost the war, so reduce the prices But serious now. Is the wargamer wrong or what ? Please tell me, what I'll have to pay to get this brilliant game on my PC ! BTW, just bought Flight Commander 2 a month ago and I have to say that it's an old game, but nevertheless it makes more fun than playing C&C or something like that !!! Bye, Martin N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 That was the preorder special, prior to the release of the demo. The price for everybody is now $45, no poster. I'll send a message over to Kevin and ask that he make an update Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted November 25, 1999 Author Share Posted November 25, 1999 That's sad news (for me, not for you ), but nevertheless thanx for the lightning fast answer ! Martin N. [This message has been edited by Soma (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hey Soma How much will you have to pay to get CM shipped to Germany ? I live in Denmark and according to my calculations I'll have to pay around 700 DKR ( 100 USD ) to get the game. Will it be as ridicuosly expensive in the rest of Europe too ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted November 25, 1999 Author Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hi Tim ! If ordering here at Battlefront.Com it would be $45 + $18 (for S&H) = $63 (that's what I found out). I don't know if there are any further charges for customs or anythingelse ! Normally I buy games which aren't available (or no longer available) in Germany at Chips&Bits Online, a nice online shop with a good choice of games ! But it looks like they have CM not in their catalogue yet. So we have to order it here and get it ASAP, or we wait and see, if CM will make it to the stores in Europe (and especially WHEN it will be there) !!! The price of the game itself is no problem, because BTS should be awarded for making such a great game ! But shipping, handling and customs are BIG problems. A possible solution is to invite the guys from BTS or Battlefront.com to come over to Europe to check out some interesting old weapons and vehicles, and then they can take a few copies of CM with them (about 5000) on their trip and sell them here Let's wait and see ! Bye, Soma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hey Soma It certainly sucks here in Denmark. First I'll have to pay the for the game + shipping(45+18=63US). Then I'll have to pay customs for the price of the game + the cost of shipping. The customs rate is a little unclear, but it's at least 10%, but more than likely 20%(63+20% of 63= 75,6US. Then at last I'll have to pay taxes for the game + shipping + customs and the tax rate is 25 %. That brings the price up to (75,6+25% of 75,6= 94,5 US. I certainly hope I made a mistake somewhere in the calculation. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 As this issue has been raised before… Why is it that people feel that the price of CM can be questioned? Considering nobody would ever question a difference in price of a bottle of wine or whiskey, a cheese, a painting, a graphics card, a pot plant, a car or any other product?? You buy what you like, or you don´t. M. [This message has been edited by Mattias (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkerT Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hi Tim ! I'm sad to say that you are dead on with the math. Darn it, we danes should ask BTS to set up a garrage sale, and then one of us should pop over on a dicount trip and pick up a few of them golden discs. Probably be cheaper that way ! Alas ! The prize we pay to play with the best and die like the rest. Frans E. jensen ------------------ If you can't join'em beat'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted November 25, 1999 Author Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hi Mattias ! Don't get me wrong, but nobody questioned the price of CM. I said it before the price for the game itself is absolutly ok, but Europeans always have the struggle with shipping, handling, taxes, customs, etc. ! Good games are mostly made in USA (not ever, but mostly ), and so people in Europe have to pay these things mentioned above if they buy it online, or they have to wait for the game to hit the stores in their own countries. But even then the price will be higher than in the USA ! I mostly buy the original english version of a game, and the difference in price compared to the german version is sometimes 35% !!!! (Not cheaper, of course). Nobody says, CM is to expensive, but the costs to get such a juwel in europe are sometimes outstanding. Soma. [This message has been edited by Soma (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Mattias (söta bror ), I don't think it's BTS pricing structure that are critisized here, but more the "unfairness" that we over here have to pay our greedy governments mucho money in order to get some quality games. Let's face it, the original $45 has swelled into $100 by the time I get my sweaty hands on it! I guess you don't often buy games at 700 SEK either Now, if BTS got all those money, I wouldn't have complained, but more than 50% goes directly to my government! Hmf! Oh well, at least I know that I get quality for my money! Hawk ------------------ Our's is not to reason "why", our's is but to do and die! [This message has been edited by Hawk (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Damn! It almost seems to me that what you guys need to do is find a middleman who already plans to be travelling sometime early next year to the USA who could pick the copies up and bring them back for you! I still think $100 US will be a relative bargain considering the outstanding quality of CM, but you certainly shouldn't have to pay nearly twice as much as others because of where you live. Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySShockeD Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 I don't know how many preorders there are for CM but if it turns out to be a lot isn;t possible for Big Time Software to have a little distribution/mail order centre in Europe just to make it a little less expensive. I think people in Europe would be willing to pay a little more just for not paying those extra costs because around 100% extra even for a game of this quality is much, not too much but much. Wouter [This message has been edited by SySShockeD (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted November 25, 1999 Author Share Posted November 25, 1999 Well said, Dar !!! But I've read in another thread, that CM is only sold online ! So these middleman has to knock on the doors of BTS and Battlefront.Com to get the copies, and he'd better have a VERY BIG bag with him Maybe the game could be packed so unsuspicious, that neither customs nor the taxman will guess, what's inside the package. And perhaps a little stamp on the outside will help the disguise: "Dear customs. This is really no computergame, even if it looks like. These are just some old socks and used underwear. Thank you !" Nobody will ever know ! Soma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hawk, LOL Tell me about it, we Swedes like our northern brothers know about taxation, taxation through our bleedin noses I think I was referring to the end price over here though. Any quality product that lands on our snow swept coasts is simply going to be bloody expensive, for reasons that are legio. And you are looking at the very epitome of a quality product here Id pay 200$ with a smile on my face to get my hands CM, really. And in the end, you pay the same taxes for every product you buy, don’t you? M. [This message has been edited by Mattias (edited 11-25-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardb Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 I live in Norway and we should be the most taxated country in the world (don't think any other scando's will deny that LOL). Anyway, if the game will cost me over a 100$ to get I think BTS should do something because that's a lot I think. That's like two regular games and don't give me that bull "It's so great that it's worth 200$" when you'll get it for regular prize). I think they should do something about that it's already paid for when they send it so they could send it as a gift or something I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest L Tankersley Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Then at last I'll have to pay taxes for the game + shipping + customs<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You pay tax ON YOUR CUSTOMS FEES!?!?! Yikes. I bet what really smarts is, you pay all that money in taxes, and the weather is _still_ cold. Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erich Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Maybe there's a direct correlation between climate and taxation? We here in canada get reamed pretty badly, too. I don't think we're in Norway's league, but I we're not as cold, either. Unless BTS ships the game as a gift, or something, I'll have to pay duty, the GST (tax), and a GST service charge, unless by some chance BTS registers a GST number with the Canadian gov't. Yup, we get to pay a "service" charge to be taxed. ------------------ Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risc Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 erich, I guess I was lucky pre-ordering CM some months ago...I don't really care to a certain point how much I pay for CM as long as CM will be good, which I don't really have to worry anymore Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 I am not sure about you guys way up north, but the customs duty you'll pay in Germany for software is more like 5% or something (would have to look up the exact figure). Add to this the 16% VAT and you'll arrive at 45+18+3+10 = 71 US$. This is about 1.5 times what a game costs in retail over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erich Posted November 25, 1999 Share Posted November 25, 1999 Peter, I don't really care how much I have to pay either. Hell, I pre-ordered 2 a couple of weeks ago. I just like to grouse about the GST Eric H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 26, 1999 Share Posted November 26, 1999 Wow, those are some outrageous taxation rates! Just one of the wonderful traits of socialist governments, they take as much money off you as they can without a revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardb Posted November 26, 1999 Share Posted November 26, 1999 Lee: LOL that's probably the best description of a socialist govt I've ever heard. On the other hand everybody can afford to get sick, give birth (actually that only applies for the women) and other social things. There are other things I detest tho.. like Denmark is No 1 and Norway No 2 in foreign Aid pr capital. Why the hell should I pay for a maladministrated banana republic somewhere... gripes, I'm starting to rant again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy_Eye Posted November 26, 1999 Share Posted November 26, 1999 Why not ask them to make a civil war game, lets attack the custom offices and throw the governemnt out!! Lets print money ourself. Lets taxes milk and bread!! oops. i have to go.... someone at the door...oh i better run FBI agents are treatening to enter the house. If i dont want to burn alive i shoudl surrender........ :-( Maybe imigrate to USA, you save on taxes. If they let you pass the customs...... without charging taxes for your body leaving your counties..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knaust Posted November 26, 1999 Share Posted November 26, 1999 I am the sore man who started up the Retail thread. I preorderd by check senfing the required e-mail to BTS. Now im asking..who calculates custom duties and VAT? I hope it is BTS and im still waiting for them ready to give them money and have them sending me this great game. BTW, Moon; 71US$ acceptable...over 120US$ uhmmm...even if in a warm country like Italy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted November 26, 1999 Share Posted November 26, 1999 Hi all. First, a message to the Danes in this thread. A part of my family "fled" Copenhagen because of the taxes. We even set up a marrage to get my grandfather's cousin citizenship here in the US. He had a small business and was tired of paying the government all his hard earned money, and when he went to sell the profitable firm, nobody wanted the headache (and neither did he!). Anyways, they were supposed to get divorced after the manditory 1 year was up, but they fell in love and have been living happily married for something like 15 years now (I'm not making this up ). Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about the taxes. They are terrible by US standards, but we don't see a penny of that and therefore can't reduce the price of our games to compensate. Here in the US, nobody has to pay ANY taxes on our games unless they live in one of two States in the entire US. Our government has been trying to pass legislation to close up this tax loophole, but this is one time we are all gald our goverment is SLOW to act We are always working on reducing the S&H fees though. This is *not* easy for a small company such as ourselves. We have talked with fulfillment houses in Europe and found that their rates were fairly expensive compared to the US, plus there usually was some sort of quota based on # units shipped per day/week/month. We are talking WAY more than we can sell We do have options, but these are taking time to set up. We might have something set up in April, but this is obviously not soon enough for CM. (PSSSST... are there any customs folks here?? Well, there might be so let me just say that your math is based on some flawed logic. I'm not going to say what, but use your imagination ) In the end, this is the price Europeans (and others) have to pay for the quality of CM. If we went with a big publisher, you would get CM at the same price you pay for other games, and it would probably be of similar quality too (buggy, incomplete, flawed, etc.) because of the way Publishers work. So yes, it might be more than an another wargame, but you are getting in CM what you can't get in two sequels of other games, so in the end you are getting more for less. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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