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The thing is that it seems that in some cases is not so much that they are running out of fuel, but rather that they themselves are throwing it up once they realize where they are heading. There are videos that I posted yesterday of civilians actually picking up russian soldiers and getting them to Ukranian authorities. That tells us that those soldiers were completely left alone by the rest of their forces and that their moral very low, as they, being armed, actually handed themselves up to unarmed civilians.

Yeah, he seems that since the start of COVID is extremely paranoid of getting close to people. That surely is not helping its mental health, thats for sure.

A whole convoy of russian forces found abandoned by civilians. I hope the ukranian forces or the civilians themselves are disabling them, so they cannot be retaken by the Russians

Ukranian civilians protesting in the city of Berdyansk the Russian ocupation of it.

Maybe the intention is not so much to cut-off Poland form Ukraine (Althought they surely would like that), but to put pressure in Lviv. As the thing stands right now, if Kyiv falls, there is a big chance the Ukranian goverment will relocate to Lviv and keep on fighting. Maybe they think that if they start getting close to the Lviv, enough to put pressure on it, not even really take it or surround it, the Ukranian government would decide that going into the city is to risky and they either get out of the country, establishing a government in exile and thus losing legitimacy, or maybe even accept defeat. It will tie forces in western ukraine that could be being used on the east or Kiev nonetheless, so that might be the reason, and not so much the territory itself

Unexpectedly, the peace agreements have as of now failed. Either, like I said yesterday, they are going to double down until Ukraine capitulates, or they are going to see if they can achieve success in Mariupol, and take it before the peace talks, so they can push for taking control of the Full Donbass in the peace agreements. They could also be waiting to see what cames about the push from Brest to Western Ukraine. A cut-off from Poland would put Ukraine in a dangerous position.

Okey, this is getting ridiculous so I am going to answer to this and then stop cluttering this what once was a thread about the course of the war and its strategic implications instead of the stupid dumpsterfire that it is now: If he gets fired, then, as any other person, he will get his due compensation. As any other european fired form his job ever. Or dou you think that every time one european gets fired from his job we call the human rights tribunal at Geneva? There is nothing stopping anyone from firing other person, the problem is that then said person gets a compensation. That is of course if the guy had a contract, if not, there is no obligation to do so. So yeah, I repeat myself now again, what exact right is being infringed here, and how, that you have been dodging this question because you know that what you wrote was stupid demagogy, dont think that we didnt notice, all of this equate to westerners denying their rights to Russians as a whole?

But what infringed rights are you talking about? They are asking for him to not play in an orchestra, not his ****ing head XDD And still, how would this equate to the westerners not respecting the rights of Russians as a whole?

Sigh. Ukraine its a country wich has made its intention to join both the EU and NATO clear, and this desire has been generally aknowledged by the west. A direct invasion against a sovereign country form another which has decided that it doenst deserve such sovereignity, is a threat to the mantainment of international law which mantains the current western dominated world order. All previous war till now could have been sold as civil wars for the most part, and the actual state agains state wars were extremily rare and outside of Europe. Ukraine economy its entwined with the economies of Germany and Poland, and hence the EU. Its lost to a power, who has for the last 15 years tried to destroy the EU from inside, has comitted political murder on our soil, and blackmails us with gas would be a security threat to those countries. The security situation of Rumania, Poland and the Baltic states deteriorates drastically if Ukraine falls, all of them EU countries and as such, the EU and NATO in general. This is just to sum up, so yeah, first of all, Ukraine IS part of the west. Second of all, Putin had already declared war to our countries a long time ago. The difference is that European politicians can no longer hide from that fact. Hence the change in police from Germany and France Also, yeah, I do not know if you have read my post as well, but I will repeat myself, I do not see why Putin cronies, who have sustented in Power, and have indirectly or directly allowed this war to happen, should have any sympaty, really; and I do not see how that is thinking that russians deserve no rights

XDDD What terrorized minorities? Where are all the oppressed Ukranians going to receive with flowers the Russian liberators? Have you seen what has been the reaction of the Russian speaking populace till now, even in regions like Mariupol, Odessa and Kharkiv? They do not seem too happy with their liberation. I am sure that there are people in the citie of Donestk and Luhansk with valid grievances towards Kyiv, but that you tell me that Ukraine its terrorizing its population? XDDDDDD XDDDDDDDDDD One more for Bingo One thing that surprised me about the invasion, is that, in contrary to what I expected, there was not a huge push for the control of the narrative from the Pro-russian part. As like they were shocked and thrown of guard by the invasion. I was expecting a huge influx of bots, and recently made accounts to came with the old slogans and the old-ass propaganda that we were accostumed. Yet, there was nothing. Unfortunetly, it seems the army of the recently made accounts has finally made its appearence, as I started seeing it active both in Twitter, Reddit, and other forums, were they had remained somewhat silent till now. It seems thay have decided to make their appearence in this humble forums as well

Seems like the Belorussian army is preparing to join the invasion. Due to its position near Brest, its likely they will try to cut off the Polish-Ukranian border, now that European lend-lease has turn into a reality. Lets see how the Belarussians perform. They have had more time to prepare their logistics than the initial Russian offensive, so I guess they will perform better? Also, as the tweet says, note the red square. We have a new symbol in our hands.

The Russian state has declared open war against the west. What did you and the rest of russians expected? A note of concern with some vodzka? I do not think that common Russians in the west should be harassed in any way of form, but Putin cronies? They can go **** themselves. Also, you are equating that some italians booed a Putin friend as that we westerners think that Russians dont deserve rights. Thats some mental gymnastics right there

Really? Good to hear. I supposed that he meant that those route were under artillery direct range and hence why civilians couldnt exit; as a russian breakthrought would have been strange considering the overall situation. But if its a fake, the better

THIS IS ACTUALLY FAKE! I will leave there in order that the conversation below has some sense, but yeah, I ate up a russian fake news . It also seems that Berdyansk has fallen without to much resistance, and, in conjunction with 2000 marines that landed in the proximity, Mariupol is about to be encircled, if it hasn been alredy. Also, unsurprisingly: What Steve said really. Suppossedly there are russians that have already lost their jobs because of this.

It has been complete free fall for all day for the ruble. And it doesnt seem its going to stop there

Also, it seems that the Turks are going to go ahead and partially close the bosphorus:

2nd Nagorno Kharabakh War vibes

The swedes are also going to send some missiles as well, after all

S300/400 being launched in Belarus. Against what, I dont know Edit: I initialy thought that these were anti-air missiles, but some people are claiming that those are ballistic missiles, so IDK

As @Aragorn2002 puts it, if we succumb towards nuclear blackmail once, there is no stopping there. Where is the line drawn of wether a country is worth saving and which country is not? Is worth to risk war for Poland or Rumania as well? The disconnect of SWIFT is not plainly punitive, is done in order to protect the countries in the eastern flank of NATO, to counterbalance the shift in the balance of power that the conquest of Ukraine by Russia would entail. So if Ukraine falls, its either start doing that, or see how the eastern NATO flank desintagrates with the passing of time, either by economic or military pressure, or direct kinetic action. So in fact yes, we should risk war for Ukraine, as its fall without repercusion would be disastrous to the EU and the eastern NATO countries, and as such, NATO and US defense strategy as a whole.

There is no way Russia gets out of this without the territory of the Donbass republics. It has little strategic value, but good luck selling to its population that they won if they cant even get that. I think Zelensky understands that, and considering the alternative is the continuation of a war that could result in the end of the Ukranian state and freedom, its a small concession to give. The Finns, despite winning their war against the soviets, and all their sacrifices; also had to give up the city of Vïpurii, despite being its second largest city at the time. Still, in my opinion, this peace talks are a russian psyops, or them trying to win legitimacy/time, and do not really have an honest intention of achieving peace in the current conditions, due to what I explained before, as this deal would still be a big strategic defeat. However, the sanctions, strategic in nature, are going to have severe consecuencies for Rusia, and as of now, they dont even have Ukraine to counterbalace them. So the threat of failing into an escalation spiral is there. If there is rationality still left in the Russian high command, they will cut up their losses,they will try a last push towards Kiev in order to get more leverage, and then they will take this deal, and so will Ukraine most likely. If not, well, this is going to keep spiriling into a bigger war.

Joining the EU would be essentially that. We have i the EU "neutral" nations such as Finland, Austria and Ireland. Yet if they were attacked they would be defended by the EU and in larga NATO. The same can be applied to Ukraine

That could be the off- ramp to this mess. The Ukranians give up Crimea and Donbass and accept stop seeking to join NATO (but still they get to join EU, this is the important bit), and all Russian troops withdraw. It would be a strategic defeat for Putin, as the ground won its minimal/esentially he already controlled it, and even thought he gets the Ukranins out of NATO, they still get to join the EU, so they are irremediably out of their sphere of influence. In exchange he maybe avoids some of the harsher sanctions that are being planned yet have not still been applied. However he has shown its army to be a paper tiger and has hurted its economy and global position for the time being, in a nearly irreparable way. Germany has shifted from a friendly position with Russia, to one of hostility. He can twist this as a victory for his internal audience and maybe some of its propagandists abroad. Yet lets not be mistaken, this peace terms and the general world situation that has arose over the war is a very serious strategic defeat for Russia, which will remain a secondary power at best for the time being. Thats why I am somewhat skeptical over the possibility of them agreeing to peace terms.

This war is turning into an existential threat to Putin Regime. You only have to look at the face of Shoigu at the end of Putin declaration to know how bad the situation really is.