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I don't think potential war crime trials 10-20 years down the line help much with irradiated lands and the general course of the war now. And that's what LFP means.

Let me be cynical (realistic) here and say there will be no response and blowing up NPP will be heavily downplayed with arguments like "we need to investigate first to determine who is responsible based on facts" and "ambient radiation in Romania increased only by 3.6 roentgens, not great not terrible". After all most of the nuclear fallout will remain on a Ukrainian soil since this isn't RBMK and you can't turn it into a proper nuclear bomb like in Chernobyl - but you can turn it into a dirty bomb with a fairly limited radius.

I think after russians do it and there will be no consequences* for them - the only question that will remain is "tactical nukes when".
*sanctions aren't consequences, russians are broke and live in wooden barracks. They don't care if they get no iPhone, can't afford it anyway.

The difference is that when russia'll do it - all the "human rights" organizations will take a soul-crushingly neutral stance with "let's not get ahead of ourselves". Just like they (heck, even some Western governments) did with the Kakhovka dam.

But if Ukraine will do it in retaliation - you'll see every "human rights" defender blaming us for being horrible genocidal terrorists that are absolutely evil and must be stopped at all costs - and taking away all the Western support will be a good start.

I mean you don't have to go far back in history (or too far in geolocation, just across a sea and then some) for a similar example. I've been told in this very thread that I shouldn't bring Israel up because they are absolute evil since they retaliated in kind on several occasions.
So nah. Pretty sure we will be told right away "no retaliation or else", since we want to win the war and liberate our gloriously acute radiation syndrome inducing, lands.

The oligarchs have the amount of money that they will feel no personal lack of anything. Sanctions against the civilian populace are beside the point. Western nations will never apply sanctions which provide serious harm (food, medicine) to civilians, and any inconvinience in daily life will not change the situation in Russia because the majority of the population is politically passive and the part of the population which isn't apolitical are the Angry Patriots & Co who scream from the rooftoops that is is time to "finally take the gloves off and show the Ukrainian subhumans the what is what".
 
The sanctions which make sense and which need to be tightened and enforced three times over are: parts for machining and machine maintenance, software, military goods and goods with double-usage, so all links of micro-chips, opto-electronics for targeting systems, everything with regard to aviation, as well as any sanction which is macro-economically relevant. That means making Russian exports worth less and Russian imports cost more on the world market.

Interesting story, how near Kyiv during unexploded bomb removing and checking the ground around were found remains of eight Hawker "Hurricanes", which probably were deliberately scrapped by USSR after the war in order not to pay for Lend-Lease requirements for equipment, which remained intact. From the planes were removed all valuable equipmment and just its frames were towed to the ravine and burried by bulldozers. 
Now National Aviation Museum tries to excavate all remains for reassembling and putting to exposition at least one fighter.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365?fbclid=IwAR3dbUNjkOAfpuFc2RploevCWTRtInA2Sc_ZT2FNqBd6OK0xMFq0Se0Rl-0
 

The difference is that when russia'll do it - all the "human rights" organizations will take a soul-crushingly neutral stance with "let's not get ahead of ourselves". Just like they (heck, even some Western governments) did with the Kakhovka dam.

But if Ukraine will do it in retaliation - you'll see every "human rights" defender blaming us for being horrible genocidal terrorists that are absolutely evil and must be stopped at all costs - and taking away all the Western support will be a good start.

I mean you don't have to go far back in history (or too far in geolocation, just across a sea and then some) for a similar example. I've been told in this very thread that I shouldn't bring Israel up because they are absolute evil since they retaliated in kind on several occasions.
So nah. Pretty sure we will be told right away "no retaliation or else", since we want to win the war and liberate our gloriously acute radiation syndrome inducing, lands.

The difference is that when russia'll do it - all the "human rights" organizations will take a soul-crushingly neutral stance with "let's not get ahead of ourselves". Just like they (heck, even some Western governments) did with the Kakhovka dam.

But if Ukraine will do it in retaliation - you'll see every "human rights" defender blaming us for being horrible genocidal terrorists that are absolutely evil and must be stopped at all costs - and taking away all the Western support will be a good start.

I mean you don't have to go far back in history (or too far in geolocation, just across a sea and then some) for a similar example. I've been told in this very thread that I shouldn't bring Israel up because they are absolute evil since they retaliated in kind on several occasions.
So nah. Pretty sure we will be told right away "no retaliation or else", since we want to win the war and liberate our gloriously acute radiation syndrome inducing, lands.

The difference is that when russia'll do it - all the "human rights" organizations will take a soul-crushingly neutral stance with "let's not get ahead of ourselves". Just like they (heck, even some Western governments) did with the Kakhovka dam.

But if Ukraine will do it in retaliation - you'll see every "human rights" defender blaming us for being horrible genocidal terrorists that are absolutely evil and must be stopped at all costs - and taking away all the Western support will be a good start.

I mean you don't have to go far back in history (or too far in geolocation, just across a sea and then some) for a similar example. I've been told in this very thread that I shouldn't bring Israel up because they are absolute evil since they retaliated in kind on several occasions.
So nah. Pretty sure we will be told right away "no retaliation or else", since we want to win the war and liberate our gloriously acute radiation syndrome inducing, lands.

Let me be cynical (realistic) here and say there will be no response and blowing up NPP will be heavily downplayed with arguments like "we need to investigate first to determine who is responsible based on facts" and "ambient radiation in Romania increased only by 3.6 roentgens, not great not terrible". After all most of the nuclear fallout will remain on a Ukrainian soil since this isn't RBMK and you can't turn it into a proper nuclear bomb like in Chernobyl - but you can turn it into a dirty bomb with a fairly limited radius.

I think after russians do it and there will be no consequences* for them - the only question that will remain is "tactical nukes when".
*sanctions aren't consequences, russians are broke and live in wooden barracks. They don't care if they get no iPhone, can't afford it anyway.

Let me be cynical (realistic) here and say there will be no response and blowing up NPP will be heavily downplayed with arguments like "we need to investigate first to determine who is responsible based on facts" and "ambient radiation in Romania increased only by 3.6 roentgens, not great not terrible". After all most of the nuclear fallout will remain on a Ukrainian soil since this isn't RBMK and you can't turn it into a proper nuclear bomb like in Chernobyl - but you can turn it into a dirty bomb with a fairly limited radius.

I think after russians do it and there will be no consequences* for them - the only question that will remain is "tactical nukes when".
*sanctions aren't consequences, russians are broke and live in wooden barracks. They don't care if they get no iPhone, can't afford it anyway.

There will be no reaction, just like there was basically no reaction to all other Russian crimes against humanity.

Except they aren't requesting the same from Russia.

Except they aren't requesting the same from Russia.

because "human rights" organizations don't give an F about human rights. They are getting millions of USD of funding for pretending they care and it's obvious they don't want to upset one of the primary cash providers. Which isn't Ukraine in this war.

Can't buy another cool SUV if nobody is paying for it, am I right?

HRW, Red Cross, Amnesty, OSCE, whatever other trash. It's all the same. Old people who simply post words on the internet.

Except they aren't requesting the same from Russia.

Except they aren't requesting the same from Russia.

because "human rights" organizations don't give an F about human rights. They are getting millions of USD of funding for pretending they care and it's obvious they don't want to upset one of the primary cash providers. Which isn't Ukraine in this war.

Can't buy another cool SUV if nobody is paying for it, am I right?

HRW, Red Cross, Amnesty, OSCE, whatever other trash. It's all the same. Old people who simply post words on the internet.

Because for heads to get rolling - they would need to admit they are losing to Ukrainians.

But since they are winning the war against whole NATO - no need to replace anyone.

Yes but you don't need deepfakes for that, just headlines. It's the lack of long attention span that gets exploited. Since they aren't reading anything past headlines anyway - no need to put any extra effort.

In fact I'd bet making a quality deepfake that looks believable enough for the masses is already far beyond where it gets into diminished results territory. After all russians tried to do a deepfake of Zelenskyy back in February of 2022 if you remember - it looked horribly uncanny and we are talking government with enough budget that has militarized IT.

Unless it's Bakhmut.

Unless it's Bakhmut.

Unless it's Bakhmut.

Nah, you are being too rational. Whole Prig's action was exactly because he believes Ukraine isn't conquered because the top is infested with Soviet idiots. And I mean he's right about the latter part.
Conquering Ukraine and eliminating the nation is a cornerstone of Russian empire existing. Anything else but total victory is the end.
It's literally why they keep pursuing maximalist targets despite not having a chance.

Another thing this Prig mess has exposed is how BS the argument of russian "opposition" about "state propaganda" is - that they use to excuse their terminal impotency.
Putin called Prig a terrorist and a criminal. State media was trashing him all day.
And yet in Rostov crowds were greeting him as a warhero and making selfies en masse, with a guy that cuts heads off - in a state, where you are supposedly arrested for retweets.
No russian cares about "state propaganda" - they all know how things really are, they know about the genocide of Ukrainians just like they know that Russia is losing the war and they blame putin for it.
Which is how Prig happened in the first place.
So when you repost Khodorkovsky, Navalny, Kasparov or any other cuckold from their crowd - remember this.

Another thing this Prig mess has exposed is how BS the argument of russian "opposition" about "state propaganda" is - that they use to excuse their terminal impotency.
Putin called Prig a terrorist and a criminal. State media was trashing him all day.
And yet in Rostov crowds were greeting him as a warhero and making selfies en masse, with a guy that cuts heads off - in a state, where you are supposedly arrested for retweets.
No russian cares about "state propaganda" - they all know how things really are, they know about the genocide of Ukrainians just like they know that Russia is losing the war and they blame putin for it.
Which is how Prig happened in the first place.
So when you repost Khodorkovsky, Navalny, Kasparov or any other cuckold from their crowd - remember this.