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40 Commando is part of the 3rd Brigade. I looked back into why I choose them. They had just returned from Afghanistan in April 2008. 42 Commando was in Afghanistan. 45 Commando was also available but since they are based in Scotland I chose 40 Commando.

Bardosy, sorry but the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment ceased to exist in January 2007. It merged with the Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Regiment to form a new Regiment: The Rifles. May I suggest as an alternative the 5th battallion Rifles Regiment, part of the 20th Armoured Brigade based in Germany? It would not be unlikely for this battallion to ship down on the train along with most of the other NATO forces into Turkey. There is a rail ferry in Istanbul by the way.

Task Force Narwick. I'm in the middle of it. Having a great time.

For those interested here is a breakdown of the number of vehicles that came with the base game and each module. Base Game US Army 4 tank variants 14 APC/AFV types 2 light vehicles. Syrians 13 tank types 6 APC/AFV types 6 light vehicles including technicals and taxi Marines Module USMC 2 tank variants 6 APC/AFV 2 truck types Syrians 1 tank 1 APC British Forces Module 2 tank variants 11 APC/AFV types 6 light vehicles 1 US truck NATO module Canadians 3 tank types 5 APC/AFV types 4 light vehicles Germans 2 tank types 8 APC/AFV types 2 light vehicles Netherlands 1 tank type 8 APC/AFV types 3 light vehicles Syria 1 AFV 1 light vehicle 1 truck

Air Assets draft. (does not include reconnaisance aircraft) Syrian 144 MiG 21 162 MiG 23 36 MiG 25 48 Su 22 18 Su 24 32 MiG 29 US USAF in Iraq/Kuwait 72 F-15 72 F-16 36 A-10 USN 6th Fleet 2 Carriers in Med: 96 F/A-18 On Cyprus USAF 36 F-22 USMC 24 F/A-18 USMC 24 AV-8 Harrier USAF In Italy 12 B-52 12 B-1 UK RAF in Iraq/Kuwait 24 Typhoon 36 Tornado 12 Harrier On Cyprus 12 Tornado Australia In Kuwait 12 F/A-18 Canada In Turkey 24 F/A-18 Germany In Turkey 72 Tornado 12 Typhoon Netherlands In Turkey 24 F-16 France In Turkey 48 Mirage 2000 24 D Rafale Italy In Turkey 24 Tornado 12 Typhoon Spain In Turkey 12 F/A-18 In Cyprus 12 Typhoon Turkey 120 F-16 committed to campaign Poland In Turkey 12 Su-22 Romania In Turkey 12 MiG-21

I wish I could claim I researched the the deployment of every unit in 2008 but I did not, though I did with some, but I did take the War in Afghanistan and the troop surge in Iraq into account. Another thing I considered is the logistics of supplying all the invasion troops. The supply lines will be pretty long especially once the war starts and everything will have to be trucked across Syria eventually to the Damascus area. This led me to being on the conservative side in selecting the Coalition forces. I've since made a few additions mainly attack helicopters and artillery that I will post, but thanks for the feedback. I am happy to consider any changes.

I will certainly see what I can do to fit them in. Thanks for the info.

I also recall a debate about the Stryker manufacturer wanting royalties from scale model manufacturers. There was some question if they would try the same with in game images.

Or if it could be posted at Green as Jade's site.

M1 is the mod project set in 2008 as well?

Does anyone have info on the organization of the Syrian divisions, namely how many brigades each type has? Thanks

Thanks for your answer. Sure the Apache is nicer but if all the Germans have are Bo 105s I'd at least like to see it as an option especially as the Dutch only have 30 Apaches in their entire military. And TOW missiles can come in very handy even if there is no mini gun. Oh well I guess I'll have to live with it and pretend th Apaches are US as that would be more likely.

I'm not positive if the Syrian's even had their SU-24s and MiG 29s in 2008 as they don't have very many now, but I was hoping some one would know. I'm not positive the German Typhhoon squadrons were operational yet. There's nothing I could find to confirm either on the web. Again I'm happy for any Red Air. I agree B-1's B-2's and B-52's shouldn't be in the game nor should German F-4's. But thanks for the opportunity to once again pitch my pet project: The German Bo 105!

Bad bad boy! Now get back to work on those full color NATO Icons!

First off I want to say I am happy we got ANY Red air assets. I agree the Syrian Air Force would be unable able to fly any Air Support sorties that actually reach the target area. It's great to have them though for Red vs Red. That said I believe the Syrians already had some MiG 29 and Su 24 in squadrons in 2008. Wasn't it we got Red Air because the work was already done for Afghanistan and the Afghanistan game doesn't have MiG 29s or SU 24s? That would be a fair enough answer for me. Likewise however I believe the Germans already had some Typhoon squadrons in 2008. Since we already have Typhoons for the UK, it seemes it would be easy to add them for the Germans even if they had only one squadron. I agree it would be unlikely for the Germans to send their F-4 squadrons into the war. Finally however let me make my Bo 105 pitch again. I would rather see German Bo 105s than German Typhoons as that seems even more likely.

Really Nice Work. I don't think the Koreans have anything that isn't in Shock Force already. I really am at a lost to predict if CMSF II will be in Europe or Korea with Chinese intervention which would be more likely than NATO interveing in Georgia or Ukraine.

I don't recall any 101st Division units in any campaigns and they aren't on the map. I compromised with the 1st infantry and the 82nd airborne as Task Force Panther brings in the entire division along with the 2nd Cav regiment into Turkey. They weren't on the map but both the Panther and Narwick campaigns require something from them. The Commonwealth Desert Force is my creation. I felt it was justified rather than adding them to the 1st Cav which would then become too large.

Alright. I'm done with my more detailed Order of Battle with a few small changes: Attacking from Iraq US III Corps HQ US 4/227 Attack Helicopter battalion-AH-64 Apache US 3 battalion / 75th Ranger regiment US Elements Special Forces UK 22 SAS regiment (battalion size unit) Australia A company / 1 Commando regiment US 2nd Infantry Divison HQ US 3rd Mech brigade (Stryker) HQ / 2nd Inf division. US 8/1 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/17 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 2/1 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 4/23 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 3/17 Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed US 562 Engineer company US 4th Mech brigade (Heavy) 1st Cavalry division -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 1/9 Armored Cavalry battalion US 2/7 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 2/12 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 5/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 1st Mech brigade (Heavy) HQ / 4th Inf division -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 7/10 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/66 Mech (Heavy) battalion * (actual designation 1/66 Armor) US 1/22 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 4/42 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 2nd Mech Brigade (Styrker) HQ / 25th Inf division. (includes Task force Thunder) -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 2/14 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/14 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 1/21 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 1/27 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 2/8 Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed US 73 Engineer company US 1st Cavalry Division HQ * actual designation of Mech (Heavy) battalions in 1st Cav Div are Cavalry. e.g. 2/5 Cavalry battalion US 1st Mech Brigade (Heavy) HQ 1st Cavalry Division US 1/7 Armored Cavalry battalion US 2/5 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 2/8 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 1/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 2nd Mech Brigade (Heavy) 1st Cavalry Division US 4/9 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/5 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 1/8 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 3/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 1st Mech Brigade (Heavy) HQ / 4th Inf Division. -assigned to 1st Cavalry Division US 7/10 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/66 Mech (Heavy) battalion * (actual designation 1/66 Armor) US 1/22 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 4/42 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 4th Infantry Brigade (IBCT) HQ / 4th Inf Division. -assigned to 1st Cavalry Division US 3/61 Recon battalion US 1/12 Infantry battalion US 2/12 Infantry battalion US 2/77 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Engineer Co Commonwealth Desert Force (CDF) -Division HQ UK Attack Helicopter Squadron (company size unit) -AH-64 Apache Australia 2 Armoured Cavalry regiment / 1st Brigade / 1st Australian Division (battalion size unit) UK 2 Parachute regiment / 16th Airborne Brigade (battalion size unit) UK 7th Armoured Brigade HQ / 1st Armoured Division-assigned to CDF UK 9/12 Royal Lancers Armoured Cavalry battalion UK Royal Scots Guards Armoured battalion UK The Highlanders Mech Infantry battalion UK 3 Mercian Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 2 Royal Fusiliers Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 3 Royal Horse Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled UK 32 Mech Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 12th Mech Brigade HQ / 3rd Infantry division-assigned to CDF UK The Light Dragoons Armoured Cavalry battalion UK The Kings Royal Hussars Armoured battalion UK 3 Yorkshire Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 1 Royal Anglian Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 2 Pricess of Wales Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 19 Royal Field Artillery reginent (battalion sized unit) UK 26th Mech Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) From Turkey NATO Intervention Force (Army HQ) Belgium 1st Parachute battalion / IRC regiment Czech 43 Airborne battalion / 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade Spain 3 "Valencia" Special Forces battalion Netherlands Korps Commandotroepen Special Forces battalion Italy 185 RAO Folgore Special Operations regiment / Folgore brigade (battalion size unit) Polish 2 Recon regiment / Special Operations Forces (battalion size unit) Canada Canadian Special Operations Regiment (battalion size unit) Romanian 1 "Eagles" Special Operations battalion Portugal A and B companies / Commandos battalion / Rapid Reaction brigade NATO EuroCorps (Corps HQ) Assigned to NATO Intervention Force US 2/505 Airborne battalion / 82nd Airborne Division. (includes Task Force Panther) US 1/321 Field Artillery battalion / 18 Fires brigade -155mm towed France 1 Rocket Artillery regiment -M270 MLRS (battalion sized unit) Germany 26 Attack Helicopter regiment (battalion sized unit) Bo 105 PAH Germany Kommando Spezialkräfte battallion US Elements -Special Forces France 1 Parachute-Marine Special Forces regiment (battalion size unit) US 2nd Mech brigade (heavy) / 1st Infantry Division (Includes Task Forces Narwick and Lightning)-assigned to EuroCorps Elbeyi Area -Initial Objective Aleppo US 1/77 Mech (heavy) battalion (actual designation 1/77 armor) US 1/18 Mech (heavy) battalion US 1/26 Mech (heavy) battalion US 1/7 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US 9 Mech Engineer battalion Germany 10th Panzer Div HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Kilis Area -Initial Objective Aleppo Germany 313 Fallschirmjaeger battalion / 31st Fallschirmjaeger brigade / Special Operations Division-assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 12th Panzer Brigade HQ / 10th Panzer Division Germany 104 Panzer battalion Germany 112 Panzergrenadier battalion Germany 122 Panzergrenadier battalion Germany 8 Armored Recon battalion Germany 325 Field Artillery battalion-155mm self propelled / 1st Panzer division- assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 4 Armored Engineer battalion Germany 23rd Gebirgsjaeger Brigade HQ / 10th Panzer Division Germany 231 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 232 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 233 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 230 Gebirgs Recon battalion Germany 215 Field Artillery battalion-155mm self propelled / 1st Panzer Division -assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 8 Gebirgs Engineer battalion France Etat-Major de Force 2 Division HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Antioch Area- Initial Objectives Aleppo and Hamah France A Squadron / 5th Combat Helicopter regiment (company size unit) -Eurocopter Tiger France 43 Infantry regiment / Rapid Reaction Corps (battalion size unit) France 6th Armored Cavalry Brigade HQ -assigned to EMF2 Division France 1 Foreign Legion Armored Cavalry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 2 Foreign Legion Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 21 Marine Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 3 Marine Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed/120 mm mortars France 1 Foreign Legion Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) France 2nd Armored Brigade HQ -assigned to EMF2 Division France 12 Cuirassiers Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) France 501 de Chars Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) France Marche du Tchad Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 16 de Chasseurs Mech Infantry battalion France 40 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled France 13 Armored Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) France 12 Armored Recon Squadron (company sized unit) France/Germany Franco-German Brigade HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Nizip Area -Initial Objective Ar Raqqah France 3 Hussars Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) Germany 292 Light Mech Infantry battalion France 110 Mech Infantry battalion regiment (battalion sized unit) Germany 295 Field artillery battalion -155mm self propelled Germany 550 Armored Engineer company Belguim 1st Mech Brigade HQ -assigned to EuroCorps -EuroCorps Reserve Belguim 2/4 Lansiers Light Armour battalion Belguim 1 Jagers te Paard/Gidsen Armoured Recon battalion Belguim Caribiniers/Grenadiers Mech Infantry battalion Belguim Bevrijding -5 Linie Mech Infantry battalion Belguim 2 Field artillery regiment (battalion sized unit) -105mm towed NATO Combined Division HQ-assigned to NATO Intervention Force Italy 183 "Nembo" Airborne regiment / Folgore brigade (battalion size unit) Denmark Recon battalion / 1st brigade / Danish division Netherlands 13th Mech Brigade HQ -assigned to NATO Combined Division -Harran Area - Initial Objective Ar Raqqah Netherlands 11 "Huzaren Van Sytzama" Armored battalion Netherlands 17 "Fuseliers Prinses Irene" Guards Mech Infantry battalion Netherlands 42 "Limburgse Jagers" Mech Infantry battalion Netherlands 42 "Huzaren van Boreel" Armored Recon company Netherlands 11 "Rijdene" Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled Netherlands 41 Engineer battalion Netherlands 301 Attack Helicopter Squadron (company sized unit) -AH-64 Apache Italy Ariete Armored Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined Division -Suruc Area -Initial Objective Ar Raqqah Italy 4 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 4 Tank regiment) Italy 32 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 32 Tank regiment) Italy 132 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 132 Tank regiment) Italy 11 Bersaglieri Mech regiment (battalion size unit) Italy 132 Mech Field Artillery regiment (battalion size unit) -155mm self propelled Italy Attack Helicopter Squadron (company sized unit)-Agusta A129 Mangusta Canada 1st Mech Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined division -Ceylanpinar Area - Initial Objective Al Hasakah Canada "Lord Strathcona's Horse" Armored battalion Canada 1 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Mech battalion Canada 2 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Mech battalion Canada 3 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Infantry battalion Canada 1 "Royal Canadian Horse Artillery" Field Artillery battalion 105mm/155mm towed Canada 1 Mech Engineer regiment (battalion size unit) Spain RDC Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined Division - Nusaybin Area - Initial Objective Al Hasakah Spain 2 "Almansa" Mech battalion / 10 Mech regiment / 10th Mech brigade -assigned to RDC brigade Spain 1 "Toledo" Airborne battalion / 3 Airborne Light Infantry regiment / 7th Airborne Light Infantry brigade -assigned to RDC brigade Portugal A company / 1 Parachute battalion / Rapid Reaction brigade -assigned to Spanish RDC Brigade Syrian Coast NATO Marine Division (Division HQ) Initial Objectives Hamah and Hims US 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (battalion + sized unit) US 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (battalion + sized unit) US Marine and Navy Special Operations Elements NATO European Marine Brigade HQ -assigned to NATO Marine Division UK 40 Commando Royal Marines (battalion sized unit) Greece 521 Marine battalion / 32nd Marines brigade / 1st Infantry Division Spain 1 Landing battalion / Marine Infantry brigade US 2nd Marine Regiment HQ /2nd Marine Division -assigned to NATO Marine Division US 1/2 Marine battalion US 2/2 Marine battalion US 3/2 Marine battalion US 3/9 Marine battalion US A and B company 2 Marine Tank battalion US A company 2 Marine Light Armored Recon battalion US B company 2 Marine Recon battalion US B and C company 2 Marine Engineers battalion US 1/10 Marine Field Artillery battalion-155mm towed

Fair enough, but this leads me to think what the Germans would really do for the 10th Panzer which has no organic artillery of it's own. Would they pull over both PzH 2000 battalions from the 1st Panzer or would they pull out some reserve M109's which were retired even more recently than the Canadian ones? It seems the designers decided on the former.

Correction: According to Wikipedia the Canadian's phased out the M109 self propelled howitzed in 2005. Can any one verify this?

Wow what a really great project sdp has made! How have I missed this up to now? I will send him a note. It would be interesting to compare Orders of Battle but obviously he needs to keep his confidential for the Mega Campaign.

The semi-official word is that while they would be interesting, Battlefront wants to move on. We may get the French in the third Normandy module or CMSF II .

I'm afraid I don't understand. I don't know who sdp is and what is a MC? Marine Campaign? I was hoping to do an even more detailed version.

I did check the other scenarios with the Dutch the other night, and every other scenario with air support has F-16s. It's only in the campaign they made this mistake (and in the editor too of course). I'm hoping they will make us a trade and remove the Dutch Tornadoes from the game (replacing them with F-16s in the campaign) and give us German Bo 105 attack helos instead.

This is an apparent bug that's been noted as the Dutch airforce has no Tornadoes. Just pretend they are Germans lending the Dutch some support.