Dragonheart

The game continued yesterday. East As my intention was to kill the allies by taking out England this time i stoped my advance in front of smolensk making a fronline from Leningrad down to Dnjpr leading through the mine. Both sides had heavy losses in the battle for the mine but finally i got it. Midlle East The russians under Zukov were hammering the poor italians all the time...so i sent 2 tanks and two AF´s to help them. Unfortunately Terif realized this as he saw my landing as Egypt was italian and switched colour when landing Therefore he reinforced his troops and was prepared for my counter. When i started my careless counter i killed some of his units but the overalloutcome was destrastrous as i lost these reinforcements and with it my last base in the middle east. I had to withdraw and called Terif "Master of the Middle East" West I liberated France,Belgium from the evil teatrinker and then pressed GBP with continously airraids under command of manstein. In a final seabattle germany and italy lost all their remaining ships but also the allies were down to one US-Wreck only. The carriers were all wrecks too. Togehter with the italians german elitetroops liberated London and made their way to Manchester. When the first tankspearhead arrived in the outskirts of Manchester allies offered unconditionally surrender. German Tech HT 3 Jet 3 LR 3 IT 2 Summary Well another victory ag Terif despite higher bid 250, despite 10% readynessincrease due to border mistake, despite Hungary joining in OCT 41!!!! On the other hand Terif had again bad luck with his research Gbp got it late and russia got no tech!!! But it was a great game with lot of action and i prooved again that with axis i m almost unstoppable. Short Summary of our regame (GAME IV) according to PL rules. Not much to say i lost again but the way i lost is very frusttrating. In this game everything was pro axis. -poland turn 2 -denmark turn 3 -early breakthrough in france which fell June 40 (axis losses 2 tanks) -both allies joined in Nov!!!!! -early minors and incredible MPP Pool for axis -overwhelming barbarossa ....and then he rolled over russia Again i had the better tech ag him and killed lots of AF´s but when i killed one it was replaced by 2...simple incredible... For our next session we arranged 1:5:30 Bid as Russia is way to weak in our games...or let´s say at least when i play them. Meanwhile we will reach a lvl where it will be difficult to make another victory ag him....but as axis i have 2 wins ag him anyway my next great aim is the beat him with allied

Congrats Hellraiser ;

Congrats Hellraiser ;

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There are lots of aspects you have to obey. Most important is that most games are decided by MPP advantage. So if you loose more MPP vs allies than you win by this strategy this strategy is crap. Another thing is that you loose some stratetical advantage and also your units doesnt get that much expierence.....and if you intend to take all minors later you will need alot of units as you will have to fight on several spots to the same time. Russia.... you wont attack them as this will increase USA readyness...if you do so you loose some of the effect you gained before....also the border thing is more difficult to handle...as russian readyness is jumping much more beginning with 1.Jan 1942. For the roughly calculation ...you have to come along with about 250MPP average until the big boys are joining which means you will get roughly 8000 MPP provided you have 2 years after the fall of paris. Normally you will get about 10.000+1200 plunder (norway,sweden,vichy,spain) before barbarossa. (roughly 1 1/2 years after paris). So what is your gain? Due to the late entry (saving 1/2 year) allies loose 5500 MPP but on the other hand the russian border guard will survive saving them 3500 MPP. And in this half year you are saving you will loose again some MPP...550 AG 250 ...giving 300 difference for 8 rounds =2400 Maybe the absolute MPP disadvantage when calculating all factors isnt that high, it is roughly 3000-3500 but you have to survive the critical time after barbarossa until you finally get all those minors and its a huge difference if you get the money in 1941 or 1942. [ December 10, 2004, 05:24 AM: Message edited by: Dragonheart ]

hey i think you got something wrong. I was just an hint to use this tactic ag another player...but if you announce it before it´s no surprise. And i m sure you like an estonished opponent. Honestly said i never considered it but it sounds interesting and if this would work it will change the game completely. But i fear the missing MPP will kill germany ag russia...but this depends very much on the bid. Did i say something wrong as you are pissed with me?

Yep, you realized that each side has its prefered strategies.

Hey my gay friend with 250 Bid russia get almost 7000 MPP ....its something arround 6500MPP...

Just adjust your damned bids and dont always claim new rules and new bidding systems. If you are not able to win a game with 250/1250/5000 with allies you should better play axis @Sombra.... 3 hard to control? It´s a joke isnt it? Simple move the curser over a resource and look at the odds then you know the AA lvl of your opponent.

Dont talk about it...just do it in one of your games

Cool so the allies can have the cake ...making them a MPP Powerhouse...so the big guys will never join the scene

@Liam in comparison of former days i dont care if i take poland on turn 4 or even 5. This is a job just to be done and you have only a minor advantage to get it earlier. As i told in my rankings tread Terif isn´t that hard opponent in France as he is playing a longterm strategy saving lots of units. Therefore the average kill of france will occur arround end of July. This time i only got an earlier France as Terif had bad rolls when trying to kill a spearhead tank. This tank survived at 1 and the following round several of his units died as retailiation. The problem of his style of defence is that he can hardly kill a unit as corps defence is a mass defence and not a quality defence due to lack of Hq´s. Nevertheless my allied game sucks ag him whilst ag others i perferm very well. @ Curry Iron was a great player i played him only once and played my best game to my abilities to this time (1 year ago), it was a great game but i lost. But i learned alot from him. Last week he was online and he told me that he is interested again in SC looking for some fun games. Unfortunately i did not see him since that date. Unfortunately i hate playing Pbem otherwise we could play again Curry, when giving Terif a great fight with 250 Bid i should provide you at least 300.

So let´s return to the game East Due to lack of MPP as Spain was attacked during Barbarossa my attack in the east was quite slow. In the south i captured Odessa and Kiev and then i just blocked the frontline with corps. In the north i had all my strong units + 5 fighters and after taking Riga i was pushing towards Leningrad to rescue Finland which joined immedeately with Barbarossa. I wished the Hungary would have been joined that quick . Finally i reached Leningrad captured it and the russians withdrew from Finland. Minsk was captured also in the meantime but i stopped my advance in front of Smolenks as its currently to dangerous to push deeper into russia with that few units. Middle East 3 Rounds after Barbarossa russia dowed Turkey but the main target was as usual Irak where i could hold a while but finally had to withdraw to establish a straight defence line. As the russian units are much stronger...supported by 3 HQ´s i can only defend there but still holding the other city there. Later also 1 german Hq was sent there to help the italians. West The west was full of action. After heavy airbattles the allies land in Brest and pushed towards Paris and Bordeaux. Axis Luftwaffe withdrew its fighters towards spain after the loss of two units where they came in time to help italy in a minor seabattle arround Gibraltar. 1 italian Battleship were sunk but also 2 allied ships. Finally also Portugal, which was Dowed together with Spain and Gibraltar could be captured. The Luftwaffe under command of Manstein refitted its fighters and built new ones to engage the RAF which was attacking Paris,Bruessels, and Bordeaux which was finally captured by the USA. I sent a 2nd Hq from the east to command my remaining landunits returning from spain. Guess who? Van Suck my favorite guy!! With airsupport from Manstein´s 4 AF´s+1 Tank,Balbo with 1 Army+4corps Van Suck run a counter with the best units i had. 2 3-Stararmies + 2 1 Startanks and several corps pushed the Yanks out of Bordeaux cut several units off and finally destroyed 4 US Armies, 1 French Army and some corps will die soon, 1 US HQ was badly damaged but will escape. 3 fighters of each side were lost during D-Day. Meanwhile the allies got another bridgehead in bruessel but without support the will have no other choice but to leave. MPP is roughly 870 - 770 in favour of axis so with IT advantage of allies this is quite even. Russia still has a very strong army maybe even more power units than germany but most of them are engaged in Middle East and if they wanna keep Irak most of them will have to stay there. The Yanks lost almost their hole ground forces. Gbp still have ~10 corps, together with the US there should be only 5 ships left...which is equal to italys 3 + germanys 2 ships. In the airrace germany has 9 fighters whilst endland has 2 left, US 1, Russia 1 and finally all 3 carriers are still alive. If looking on units and MPP we are quite even now..but my advantage is that i can concentrate on one task now and dont have to fight in the east and west for a while. Despite playing without AA it seems that even a bid of 250 is still to low for allies as axis still have the edge...dont forget that hungary joined in October...so no spain...no landconnection to africa, late remaining minors Spain,Greece,Portugal....and most important despite border mistake raising russian readyness by 10 %. I hope that in SC2 the game will be more balanced otherwise we will have to go on with Bids between 275 - 325 ..but like usually this depends very much on luck in tech advances.

Terif i will come home at 19.30....i hope my 10 y old son can leave a message in ICQ. Cya

During the week we wont have a chance at all except the following day is a holiday or weekend. I meant 9am ...your Pm isnt that good for me as this means a late starting time and a horrible finish time.

I cant help you if you prefer playing EU2 To play by fortune will not work with us it seems better we make an appointment. What about Sunday afternoon/morning...somewhat arround 16 h for me which should be 09.00? for you.

DH is that me? If yes let me say...i never ever play Pbem.This kind of playing SC sucks so much, Kuni would say it is gayish I was asking you a couple of times in the past for a game to a reasonable time...but either you were playing EU or i did not get response. I managed to play a couple of games with rambo too the past weeks....so i think it should be possible for us too. Let´s find a day ..on a weekend should suit best...or maybe 8th of Dec where we have holiday here..

Du hast nichts anderes verdient wenn du mir nen AAR Tread zuspammst ...editiert...

Schleimer !!!! [ December 02, 2004, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Dragonheart ]

@ Sombra Du feige Ratte!! Schau mal dasst deine Trainingspartner besiegst bevor du dich woanders wichtig machst. Wenn in deinem Achsenspiel die Ungarn im Oktober 41 dazukommen und du seit 12 Runden dir an der Grenze zu Spanien die Füsse plattstehst möcht ich mal sehen was du mit deinem PC machst ....vor allem wenn dir das z. b gegen mich passiert. @others Excuse me this is a matter between me and Sombra so you dont need to know what i told him

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Just read it ...one of the last sentences says.... due to late Hungary i decided to attack spain together with barbarossa. Btw Romania joined in January. We saved after my turn...so spain is still alive as i could not conquer it within 1 round. [ December 02, 2004, 03:30 AM: Message edited by: Dragonheart ]

We started another game.. this time with 250 Bid as allies are way to weak with lower bids especially when i play them. DOW+Landing rule+AA rule apply Briefing -Van Suck spent alot of time in poland finishing them finally off in round 5 ..but as already said i dont need this guy which is obviously gay in the west -LC captured in round 2 with just 1 tank+1army+1AF as i needed the hole stuff for a breakthrough in poland in round 1, ..Denmark fell in round 3 -France was quite early falling end of June with only minor losses (1 corps, 1 Sub), 2 english Battleships were also destroyed as the german navy got involved into the battle arround LC The further procedere was the usual thing Vichy,Norway,Sweden,Egypt, converted rather quick. Then i was pressing a little bit gb with my LR 2 but Terif saved his AF in Irland and in england was nothing worth to attack. Also my cruisers got some training on the english coast. One snake attack with carriers, some battleships and corps on an it. corps near algier ended with the death of 1 italian corps, 1 already damaged it.cruiser and two dead british battleships + 1 english corps. After this job Von Suck got a free training lession on the rock. The most curious thing ever happened to me was Hungary which joined in Oct 1941 !!!!!!!! Due to this fact my Barbarossa was not perfect and the russians could save 2 armies,1 tank from the border staff. Unfortunately i made a border mistake for one turn which caused a 10 % increase of russian readyness but i saved 1 turn of this loss by gambling with 87 % readyness not preparing Barbarossa. Due to the late Hungary i decided to attack spain to the same time with barbarossa...like Portugal and Irak so the yanks entered war with barbarossa. To DOW Greece wasnt possible due to the late allied coup in yugo. German tech Jet 3 LR 2 HT 1 English tech beside LR 1 unknown. [ December 11, 2004, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: Dragonheart ]

Game will be continued today arround 18.45.

Hehe...he learned alot from me especially this fighter espirit. But the hell knows from where he has this kind of poland attack I enjoy also playing alot with him but he doesn´t