K_Tiger

To hit the lower hull at a distance from 1600 meters and more, you can call yourself a "lucky" one....

And whats with the early "bad" ammo quality from the sherms?

This you can call a "real" top-pennetration..

Seems, you have to mutch time on your hands, dont you?

I read in one of my first WWII books, that a frighter with around 50 Tigers were sunk in the med. Nice treasure...if you can get, lets say..1-2 million $/€ for one single peace...

It isnt/wasnt a common name. The german used this to cover their pre-war projekts. After the threadment of versailes, it was forbidden for the germans to field a capable landforce, so they tryed to confuse the allies with those designations.

Do you know where this shot was made...Kummersdorf or Hermann Görings garden?

Maybe only a prototype....who cant reach production state. No wonder, no sloped armor at all, only one man turret and the "schuerzen" are to deep to be effective...

Its only 2-3 Weeks where i saw a real good dokumentation from the eastfront. At the hight of the Operation of the Vistula River the interviewed vets sayed, that 100 meters away from the frontline or from her own unit you was a deserter and mostly shot. There was only one option..stay in the trenches and fight, there was no better changes to survife, he sayed.

Your right Redwolf. It wasnt intended as comparsion to the reality..only how its be moddeled in CM:BO Was there any Sowjet WWII tank equipet with gyros? I know that the germs intended to put on the Panther II a two way gyro...so far my knowledge..

Huh..you didnt notice this in CMBO? I tell you one occurance i hade wile playing the ai. I hade a Panther hull down in waiting position on the flank. A Hellcat, over 500 yards away, moved with full speed along a steep ridgway, made a Turret hit while moving horinzontally to my tank (broadside). What makes it perfekt, he didnt move on a flat surface, he hade possible 20 degree and the gun elevation was on the max. Not even with modern tanks you can do that. Those vet accounts i read also.

The only comparsion i read was the ballistics of the Dora gun... the 7 tonn bullet was able to go thrue 8 meter concrete and 1 meter of steel. Maybe this helps a bit.

Nothing real new here...doesnt we hade a giant thread in the beginning from CMBO? Self moving doesnt prefent from beeing hit so why lower your own chances for a hit?... I think..its better to move-stop-shoot, then shooting on the move. When someone aiming at a moving target, he try to estimate the speed and aimed a bit in front of you. If your own tank stops at the moment where your ennemy shoots..you will maybe surprise him...he must retargeting....in the meantime you have the chance to get a shoot out...only my thoughts.

What, no elves at all?? A world is crashing down...

What, no elves at all?? A world is crashing down...

After buying CMBB i tried this too... four JPanther against a horde of AI lead armor...mainly t-34/85 at the end i hade 4 useless tanks with damaged guns...i tooks only 2 rounds or so..

What means well? A usefull range where you still able to controll it or the range the Bullets start to fall down due to gravitation? Even with tracers...on a bright day, it will not made a big different. I saw on a maneover a 5cm autogun shooting...those tracers i have seen...but this is another story..compared to rifle bullets. Oh...this lead me to another question...whats with afternoon or early morning, or overall dark weather...those muzzle flashes should be, like cigarrets and soldiers, give a nice target.

I tried to speak this out loud....and i swear..it sounded like a horde of Klingons....

This range estimation with mg bullets ive got allready...no wonder with the help from the biggest grogs around..thats why i love this forum.. @Lorrin "roll the MG bullets until they fall onto the target"....and made top hits... 1200 meter sounds fare vor mg rounds even if you use it only for range estimations. We have discussions about death-clock before CMBB...thats because in real gunners dont know every time that they hit/penetrated his target. If they have to determine mg hits over such a distance, this should be real difficult to spot such smal caliber hits and only under verry good conditions (clear sight, no wind). I summarize... you need numerical odds, alot of time, good conditions..ect. and should avoid head on firefights (over 1200 yards) with guns 75mm and upwards. @JohnS Yes and no, it was more from interrest for me, when the sherman gunners used this method over the standard one and under which circumstances and ranges. I dont think that it was standard, we would have read more about it. For sure you have a better insight in the US doctrins than i. But thanks again, helpfully like always.

Did i offend you in any way? I know this, but even tiger crews didnt hit allways with the first shot on longer distances. I was too thinking, that every miss you can call a range estimation. 50 in front, 50 meters behind..boom..on Target. I was thinking that this doesnt differs, if you use optics with or without range estimations. The first will give you better results but the system should be the same, at the end. Please correct me, if im wrong, im open minded and want to know the truth. My mistake, i meant more the flight charakteristics of those light weight .30 bullets compared to a gun round. Wasnt the coax mg intended for close defense? I know what you mean and how it was done..but still hard to understand. When you shoot 20 bullets over a long distance maybe 10 will hit the other 10s miss...how you know that you are on target? As i remember correctly..you can lead it to the target but the pattern over greather distances are wide. The main question should be: which range was the best for this sort of aiming? And how big was the benefit compared to the regular aiming...please in seconds..

I belive you..thats not the problem..but doesnt both weapons have different charakteristics in her ballistics..? (Wireds english i ever wrote.. ). So you have at least to zeroed in your coax MG with your main gun before the battle..was this overall common?

Maybe you should start CMAK in Italie...

Maybe you should start CMAK in Italie...

This MG range finding sounds odd! Is it described when a range estimation brings better result then the standard gun optics? I`ll estimate, even a sherman will not have to many problems to find the range till 800 meters...and to hit a target over this distance with an MG without optics...its possible..but doubtfuly. If this works i wouldn use it. I would prefer to try to zero in with the main gun...even i miss with some shoots...but plinking with MG bullets on an ennemy tank is like knocking on a door and saying "here i am, shoot me"..

Not quiet right...smaller people are mostly more tough then stronger ones. They are able to move longer distances. You will propably not see a bodybuilder who runs a marathon.