goodwood Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Tried to do a search on this subject and I know it's been discussed before, but I can't find any reference to it. My question is can IG s fire indirect using a spotter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Yes. But do Priests? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Yes. But do Priests? No, nor do M8 HMCs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodwood Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hey guys now I'm totally confused, one for the nays and one the ayes. u 2 would do well in the US parliament 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The solution is obvious: Yes for the IGs, no for the SPHs. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The 'working theory' was towed infantry guns (Germans) start the game in place with the gun positions plotted and ready to fire. On-map self-propelled guns (Americans) start the game during their deployment or transit phase or whatever you call it - which means they don't have the necessary surveyed map coordinates for their guns to recieve indirect fire orders. Off-map SP guns are assumed to have had time to set up properly for an artillery mission. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 One of the big limitations of some of the SPA is that the max elevation is much less than an infantry gun, 35 degrees in the M7 as opposed to 70 in the trail mount howitzer. I think the main thing tho is one on doctrine. The German IG's were specifically designed to be much closer to hand and were distributed from Regiment down to battalion level. The US Howitzer Companies generally stayed at the Regimental level and British Field Artillery was allocated at the Divisional level. The guns used by the allies were heavier and so not as conducive to the IG role. http://www.kerynne.com/games/GermanRegt.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 It's also worth recalling that the German IGs spent much of their time direct firing over open sights. With so many tanks around, the Allies seldom lacked for direct fire HE support. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambai Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Isn't the slg33 a bit too cheap? 113 pts for a single gun. That's 3x cheaper than a sfH18 (2x for 600+ pts). They have limited use on a few maps (heavy urban) but usually it has no issues hitting the intended target and works pretty much like a howitzer. A 150mm howie that is! They do terrific damage and for 113 points I feel it's a bit too cheap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Really big HE direct fire is definitely powerful. But on the point cost, check the ammo load of the two before reaching your conclusion. Off map HE can also be fired everywhere and fired with perfect safety (though an FO can die), though yes with less accuracy that direct fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theland Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Isn't the slg33 a bit too cheap? 113 pts for a single gun. That's 3x cheaper than a sfH18 (2x for 600+ pts). They have limited use on a few maps (heavy urban) but usually it has no issues hitting the intended target and works pretty much like a howitzer. A 150mm howie that is! They do terrific damage and for 113 points I feel it's a bit too cheap. On the negative side, they're very slow to move and they're vulnerable to enemy machine guns. The off-map artillery doesn't have the same issues about shuffling round the map like a particularly heavily-laden tortoise, and won't be suppressed or destroyed by enemy direct fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambai Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Good points. I'm playing against the ai and I didn't think of what a human brain might react to these things :< 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The indirect, high angle fire range for the 75mm IG 18 was 500 to 3500m AND it was mainly an indirect fire support weapon. Direct fire was used for certain tasks, but that wasn´t the primary use. A german infantry battalion normally could be expected to receive support from one section of 2 light IG guns, for use against targets the HMGs can´t effect with direct fire, or out of reach of medium mortars. Main targets, enemy heavy weapons in cover and such. That´s the basic doctrine (around 1940/41). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The lIG fell somewhat out of favor in comparison to the 81 mm mortar, partly for some of the reasons given above, but also because the latter was cheaper to produce and was more mobile on the battlefield, making it a better battalion level support weapon. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkelried Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The solution is obvious: Yes for the IGs, no for the SPHs. maybe i didn't get the point. "indirect" fire for IGs worked only with a LOS for the IG in a battle i just played. so it's just guided fire with an FO, but no real "indirect" fire? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 maybe i didn't get the point. "indirect" fire for IGs worked only with a LOS for the IG in a battle i just played. so it's just guided fire with an FO, but no real "indirect" fire? No personal experience with IGs in the game yet, so I can't really answer that. But tell me, had you moved the gun before you tried to fire it indirectly? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I'm getting inconsistent results firing indirectly with the IGs. It seems the guns need some room to deploy and fire properly. Try not leaving them in a tree or bocage-lined sunken road, for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Yes, on-map IGs can fire indirect, but their envelope for line of fire is much more narrow than mortars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 One of the game scenarios opens with unseen on-map German hvy howitzers booming away doing the opening bombardment against the far end of the map. That is sooooo coooool! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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