Battlefront.com Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Most of the patch desiderata, namely; more potent MGs, stouter defence works, more resistant buildings and, arguably, tanks not firing on the run, etc, are going to seriously imbalance existing scenarios and some QBs in favour of the defending side. Everyone realizes this, right? In some cases this is true, but those of you familiar with the MASSIVE changes in CM:SF, between v1.01 and v1.31, have found that it generally doesn't rise to that level. The primary reason is that the application of tactics is still the most important element of the game. What we did see in CM:SF was a lot less "that doesn't seem right" results as the game engine matured. Especially after EOLS was added in v1.06. The number of basic changes to CM:BN over time will be far lower than with CM:SF. So I don't think there's much reason to be concerned about tossing the balance out the window. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 What is EOLS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Enhanced Line Of Sight. In the initial release version of CMSF, LOS "pre-checks" from Action Square to Action Square were done from only one height, which led to all sorts of spotting wierdness. So they added ELOS, which does the pre-checks from multiple heights (at least 4, maybe 5). This vastly improved things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Tiger Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The patch that screwed up older missions was the v1.11 patch which introduced the AI 'Bug-out' behaviour. Prior to that, the AI pretty much stayed in its positions and fought there until it died. Afterwards, it would run away which was both good and 'bad'. Good because you could clear the AI out of buildings more easily and bad because they would sometimes bug out into building locations deeper within the objective and could be really nasty when you encountered them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Enhanced Line Of Sight. In the initial release version of CMSF, LOS "pre-checks" from Action Square to Action Square were done from only one height, which led to all sorts of spotting wierdness. So they added ELOS, which does the pre-checks from multiple heights (at least 4, maybe 5). This vastly improved things. Thanks for the explanation YankeeDog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 You're right. The game probably needs a defence boost in certain details. Just saying... The 3:1 maxim may be true or a leftover mechanism from the boardgame era. Of course, the higher the marginal odds the greater the predictability. Fact is, no battle was ever designed by any military staff to be 'interesting' in the CM sense. An interesting battle results from miscalculations and unexpected events. 3:1 is a military maxim...but I'm not sure what it really means or whether it was ever correct. I mean, 3:1 what? Men? Artillery? Tanks? Divisions? Platoons? It's too general to be meaningful...and I'm not sure it was meaningful in WWII. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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