Chops Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wondered why the AK-47 was not included in CM:A and this article explains why. The actual AK-47 was short-lived, but the Kalashnikov family of weapons have lived on, as we see in CM:A and CM:SF. The article also ties the AK-47 back to WWII and German ingenuity. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/weapons/ak-47-questions-about-most-important-gun-ever?click=pp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerF Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Neat article, something of an AK nut here. Curiously the CM:A has the Type 56. (I think, only played the demo) Which is basically a direct Chinese copy of the AK-47. (The first ones with milled receivers obviously) Later models with stamped receivers were closer to AKM's. Do the T-56 model in CM:A have the milled or stamped receiver? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 To state that the AK-47 is a "conceptual knockoff" of the Sturmgewehr is pretty poor. The Soviets were the first to use large scale issue of automatic weapons as a soldier's primary weapon. The 7.62x39mm cartridge is the M1943 (predating the German issue of the MP44) It's a similar situation where one might claim that the Gloster Meteor is a conceptual knockoff of the Me262. It isn't, but a case of parallel development ended up with similar designs. Mikhail Kalashnikov came up with a very good gun. Why some people feel that they have to take that away from him by claiming he stole it off the Germans (better the facists than the communists?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerF Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 To state that the AK-47 is a "conceptual knockoff" of the Sturmgewehr is pretty poor. The Soviets were the first to use large scale issue of automatic weapons as a soldier's primary weapon. The 7.62x39mm cartridge is the M1943 (predating the German issue of the MP44) It's a similar situation where one might claim that the Gloster Meteor is a conceptual knockoff of the Me262. It isn't, but a case of parallel development ended up with similar designs. Mikhail Kalashnikov came up with a very good gun. Why some people feel that they have to take that away from him by claiming he stole it off the Germans (better the facists than the communists?) Agree, I kinda glossed over the article. Unlike many would believe(including many in the firearms community)the AK-47 is not a StG-44 knock off. I don't know where that myth started, I suppose it's with the commonality in the looks department between the two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_the_wino Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 And the SKS. Don't forget the SKS. Other than the trigger, firing pin/ block, and receiver layout....they are IDENTICAL!!!! Oh, wait....the stocks are different too. But they both shoot 7.62x39 therefore they must be the same...right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Not to mention that the Soviets had never fielded a rifle named "AK-47"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Captain Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 And the SKS. Don't forget the SKS. Other than the trigger, firing pin/ block, and receiver layout....they are IDENTICAL!!!! Oh, wait....the stocks are different too. But they both shoot 7.62x39 therefore they must be the same...right? LOL! I own both a Chinese SKS and a Romanian WASR-10 (civillian AK clone in semi-auto of course). In all honesty, I love the AK, love what it is and what it does and it's ridiculous reliability etc. But man I really do love the SKS more. It's a much nicer shooting and much more accurate rifle. My buddy has a Russian SKS dated 1950 I think, my Chinese was made in 55 and they are both just sweet. The Russian SKS is really beautiful with the dark deep rich finish to the wood, knife blade bayonet and the star on the receiver with CCCP engraved on the side just sets it apart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerF Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 LOL! I own both a Chinese SKS and a Romanian WASR-10 (civillian AK clone in semi-auto of course). In all honesty, I love the AK, love what it is and what it does and it's ridiculous reliability etc. But man I really do love the SKS more. It's a much nicer shooting and much more accurate rifle. My buddy has a Russian SKS dated 1950 I think, my Chinese was made in 55 and they are both just sweet. The Russian SKS is really beautiful with the dark deep rich finish to the wood, knife blade bayonet and the star on the receiver with CCCP engraved on the side just sets it apart. I'm as American as they come, but commie guns are fun! Own both a Yugo mil-surp 59/66 and Chinese commercial SKS made in the 80's by Norinco. The AK-74 is fun to. Rugged, cheap to shoot, and about as accurate of a low-end AR-15. Curiously is your WASR a Century build or a Cugir build? Century builds have the reputation of being put together by monkeys. I do have to disagree with you about your Chinese SKS unfortunately. They weren't produced in China till after 56'! (Type-56) It would be interesting to know if your Chinese is C&R eligible, not so many of those made it into the country, compared to the flood of commercial models that Norinco sent over in the late 80's early 90's! I want a E.German SKS, but only about 100 are guessed to be in country. I'll probably settle on a Russian though, which I agree are the best looking of all the SKS variants. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaSD Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130493013 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Listened to part of this interview on NPR yesterday. Was interesting, but not entirely accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Captain Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 TylerF, I also have a Mosin 91/30 that I totally love too! Ok, my Chinese may be 56 or 57 then, don't remember offhand and will check again when I get home. It is a type 56. I ran the serial numbers and just remember it was mid/late 50's. I got it SUPER cheap years ago. I'll check the build on my WASR too. I know lots of people have had complaints about them but I'm totally happy with mine and it's been flawless since I've had, which also has been for some years. Commie guns are fun!! Speaking of, I have a Czech CZ-82 from the mid 80s which is one of the finest pistols for it's price I've ever owned. I also have a Polish P-64 dated 1967 which I also enjoy immensely. Both are super accurate and have really boosted my apreciation of the 9x18 Makarov cartridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerF Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 TylerF, I also have a Mosin 91/30 that I totally love too! Ok, my Chinese may be 56 or 57 then, don't remember offhand and will check again when I get home. It is a type 56. I ran the serial numbers and just remember it was mid/late 50's. I got it SUPER cheap years ago. I'll check the build on my WASR too. I know lots of people have had complaints about them but I'm totally happy with mine and it's been flawless since I've had, which also has been for some years. Commie guns are fun!! Speaking of, I have a Czech CZ-82 from the mid 80s which is one of the finest pistols for it's price I've ever owned. I also have a Polish P-64 dated 1967 which I also enjoy immensely. Both are super accurate and have really boosted my apreciation of the 9x18 Makarov cartridge. Heh, I want a Mosin too, but I'm afraid to buy one cause I know that I'll keep buying more and more considering how cheap they are. Your Chinese SKS is rather rare then, not so many of the original mil-surp ones made it in country, and many that did got "sporterized" because people thought they were nothing special with all the Norincos on the market alongside them. The recent WASR's have gone up immensity in quality for the most part, it was for a few years that they were hit and miss, although with a good one, a $300 AK is gonna function the same as a $1000 AK. Those little com-bloc pistols have been flooding the country lately, never had the pleasure of firing one though. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu16.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu25.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Curiously is your WASR a Century build or a Cugir build? Century builds have the reputation of being put together by monkeys. WASR-10s are initially built by Cugir and imported into the US by Century. The latter then modifies them with U.S.-made parts in order to comply with 922®. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerF Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 WASR-10s are initially built by Cugir and imported into the US by Century. The latter then modifies them with U.S.-made parts in order to comply with 922®. Huh, I swear I've seen WASR's with Cugir stamps on them, without the Century marks. Any other distributors for WASR's other than Century? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_the_wino Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The Russian SKS is really beautiful with the dark deep rich finish to the wood, knife blade bayonet and the star on the receiver with CCCP engraved on the side just sets it apart. That's the reason I bought one. Refinished the furniture but I have never fired it. That's the cheap-o Chinese is for. I have to agree on the SKS over the AK (or what ever you call it). I have a Yugo Sporter (KBI) and I prefer my cheap SKS over it for accuracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Huh, I swear I've seen WASR's with Cugir stamps on them, without the Century marks. Any other distributors for WASR's other than Century? Not that I'm aware of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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