Marc Anton Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hi guys Iam new to cmsf (bought the whole collection yesterday after playing the latest demo) but iam a veteran CMx1 player. So the first question i have is how the terrain can provide cover for my pixeltruppen ? Is this done like in CMx1 - brush, scatteres trees, rough etc. provides some cover ? My handbook doesnt talk about that stuff at all ?! Greets Marc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 like CMx1 but; 1; there are more types of terrain 2; it can be mixed, like rocky with brush and trees on top quiet simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcrof Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 What you see is what you get really - brush, trees and long grass block LOS whereas walls etc are better at providing actual cover. Remember though that unlike CMx1, a 'tree tile' might not have any underbrush which makes your guys pretty visible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrspawn Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hi guys Iam new to cmsf (bought the whole collection yesterday after playing the latest demo) but iam a veteran CMx1 player. So the first question i have is how the terrain can provide cover for my pixeltruppen ? Is this done like in CMx1 - brush, scatteres trees, rough etc. provides some cover ? My handbook doesnt talk about that stuff at all ?! Greets Marc To clarify/add onto what the other guys said, in CMSF there is no "%" of cover provided by various terrain features, bullet trajectories are calculated independently, realistically, and are absorbed by terrain features depending on ballistics. "Hard" and "soft" cover concepts apply here. Bullets can pass through soft cover, either by deliberate fires or by friendly fire, ricochets and misfiring. If you place your troops in a rocky area, bullets which hit the rocks will be absorbed, but bullets which miss the rocks may still hit your soldiers. Same thing applies for putting your troops behind walls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondbrooks Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 And trees forms excellent anti-tank cover. If you face armored vehicle inside woods, expect lots of branch hits from AT-projectiles. Overall forests are much more hard to use tactically than with CMx1. I guess i', getting enough experience to counter most draw backs, but i remember that right from start they were headache. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Lets face it. Cover values are a fudge. Why should the 1m sq under a soldier matter more than the 300m to the shooter? In CM1 that's why it was there and why it could be displayed. In CM2 the bullets trajectory from shooter to shot is tracked through all the intervening objects - this is what has the greatest effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondbrooks Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Lets face it. Cover values are a fudge. Why should the 1m sq under a soldier matter more than the 300m to the shooter? In CM1 that's why it was there and why it could be displayed. In CM2 the bullets trajectory from shooter to shot is tracked through all the intervening objects - this is what has the greatest effect. Yup. I often get Kornet's missile to blowup about 10 meters from launcher, which isn't funny as it can be lethal One advice for OP: Do not issue them target orders if there trees in way of shooter and target. Let them make their own decisions, because they know much better that does projectiles have change to hit the target or tree in way. They still will hit trees more or less often, but if you see that forexample ATGM-team doesn't open fire at tank which they see, they very likely does have good reason for it. I've also managed to decimate my own Syrian special force guys by setting them into tree line and forcing T-55 behind them to open fire thru that line of trees. EDIT: Okay going back to topic from semi-off-topic. I'm finding that CMSF doesn't offer such cover as CMx1 does offer... Sure partially it is because of increased firepower, but i still am not totally sure is 1:1 scale really good thing in modelling realistic cover&concealment stuff. Partially because AI isn't that bright to use it. Sure 1:1 scale has tons of good stuff which comes along with it, so it's not reasonable to ditch idea just because cover&concealment doesn't work that well. Just wondering this... Or do people see that 1:1 is great or even perfect system also with cover&concealment stuff? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 "Or do people see that 1:1 is great or even perfect system also with cover&concealment stuff?" In my view, what we have with CMSF is not perfect (no game can be) but much, much better than we had in CMBO, CMBB or CMAK and overall it works pretty well - certainly better than any other game I have ever played. I cannot recall a time when I have taken casualties because the cover/concealment was below that which I thought when I ordered my unit to that position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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