Peter Cairns Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Hi folks been away since the migration mostly due to pressure of work, but I thought this might interest a lot of you. From the people who brought you Chobham.... http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7811567.stm ( sorry I haven't figured out how you add a link now. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So - there's a hole in their theory? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Why have they released so much information on it publicly? Could it be, do you suppose, that the process doesn't actually work and they want other countries to waste fortunes discovering that fact? Just asking... Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So - there's a hole in their theory? You should excuse yourself and leave the room when you feel one of those coming on. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I can't help it, I crack myself up sometimes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Interesting. Seems like they are talking mainly about KE projectiles. I wonder if there is much improvement against HEAT munitions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 That's a good question but instinctively I doubt it. Not that I have a degree in physics or engineering. I did sleep in a Holiday Inn, once, however. On the other hand, with a few layers of ceramics sandwiched with this stuff, it might be effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Adding holes to the armour will work, provided that it is a stand-off plate with base armour underneath. The Germans did something very much the same using ordinary steel for their schurzen when faced with Soviet ATRs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Interesting. Seems like they are talking mainly about KE projectiles. I wonder if there is much improvement against HEAT munitions. Since they are talking about body armour I'm not sure how many small arms HEAT rounds there are. At the moment. With this cat out of the bag we will soon get exploding small arms rounds back into service. With modern technology I would imagine there are ways to circumvent the pesky pertaining articles of laws of war. I wonder how they are going to deflect projectiles away from vital organs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 "Scientists from the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) have devised an ultra-hard vehicle armour" I think the flexible plates they talk about at the end of the article will be used for body armor. The Bainite plates are for vehicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Holey armour isn't new. Bainite isn't new. What is new is that you can make it relatively cheaply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 IIRC holed armour is used on the Leopard II. There was some talk of it being the standard in the early 80's but its performance vs HEAT isn't as good as other types. I can't remember where I heard this, and f/k is the expert and didn't mention it so make of it what you will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Steady on, Other Means. People start calling you an expert and the next thing you know more people turn up with work for you to do. Certainly holed armour has been used on: M113 AAV7, I think Scimitar Panzer Mk III Panzer Mk IV as a method to defeat heavy machinegun or anti-tank rifle fire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I did sleep in a Holiday Inn, once, however. And lived to tell of it. Amazing. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Holy stand-off plates (Batman! ??) - or at least wire mesh ones for the Germans - were a weight saving measure - nothing to do with any fancy physics of holes vs projectiles - eg see here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Peter Cairns, Hadn't heard of it before, but many thanks! I find it fascinating that the British have come up with yet another apparent armor breakthrough--as if Chobham wasn't enough! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If I recall correctly, one of the layers of Chobham armor was a perforated plate. Can't remember where I saw that though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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