Armuss Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Advantages create Vichy: - bonus 300-400 MPP, - eliminated 80% French fleet, - Algeria, Tunisia & Syria - go to neutral. Advantages NON create Vichy: - liberation forces by 1943/1944 no have Capital in "old-europa". If meaning is NON create Vichy? Armuss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributar Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 What you propose sound's interesting Armuss!,...but after a few beer's im having difficulty undertanding the full ramifications and thrust of your proposal!. Can you please elaborate for us 'Laymen!'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preusse Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 What does this mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armuss Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 Is this make sense to: NON create Vichy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebitt Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Why create Vichy France? Its a good question, as even against the AI I can find no reason at all to accept the option to not create it. The promise in the text that the Italians can finish the job in Africa is overly optimistic, and it will take significant German forces in Africa to finish the job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetwo Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The only time I have chosen not to create Vichy France was when I intended to capture those territories anyway and didn't want to generate extra go-to-war percents for opponents. I would have to say historically, for both Germany and France, the reasons to create it were much more in favor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill101 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I said no once and lived to regret it. Perhaps if there could be a chance of some of the component parts of the Vichy territories surrendering off their own backs to the Germans then this could work, i.e. they follow the lead of Paris surrendering and do so too, without the need for an invasion. But this would have to be a % chance, not a certainty. On the other hand, what if saying no gave the Germans Rommel and the Afrika Korps in North Africa? Would this work and does it seem reasonable enough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armuss Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 So... decision: "Create Vichy France" - always YES? Human vs. Human absolutly always? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 It seems to me the question here is what should the decision to not create Vichy encompass to offset the decision to create it. You already know the advantages of creation, but what should the possible consequences be for non-creation (keeping it historically viable)? If there does not exist an offset of benefits for non-creation vs creation is there really a decision to made here? I think not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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