Battlefront.com Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I've seen contradicatory info on what types of units different Stryker crews wear. Best I can figure... MGS - NOMEX CVC Coveralls ATGM - NOMEX CVC Coveralls All other crews wear standard ACU. Anybody know if this is correct or not in the field (i.e. Iraq)? Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Yes. MGS crews wear Nomex. If you want to get REALLY crafty you could model the ACU nomexes (PLEASE!!!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hi Mike, So MGS only, not ATGM? Wait... they now have ACU Nomex coveralls?!? I hadn't heard that. I figured since the previous Nomex coveralls for AFV crews were either OD or Sand colored that they would keep on trucking with them. So does this mean all AFV crew (i.e. Abrams and Bradleys) are going to be wearing this as well? Crap... and we just did the Sand colored version too!! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Wait a sec... that is a pic out of US Cavalry catalog. Hmmm... so is this a standard issue item or not? Clearly the one offered in US Cav is a commercial item (they always are), so its presence there is not in and of itself relevant. In case you didn't know Lt Mike, I am a camouflage uniform collecting freak of nature. I've got more uniforms than Amelda Marcos had shoes Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: In case you didn't know Lt Mike, I am a camouflage uniform collecting freak of nature. I've got more uniforms than Amelda Marcos had shoes Steve It's true; Steve had CADPAT about two years before I was issued with mine. :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny_tanker Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Wait... they now have ACU Nomex coveralls?!? I hadn't heard that. I figured since the previous Nomex coveralls for AFV crews were either OD or Sand colored that they would keep on trucking with them. So does this mean all AFV crew (i.e. Abrams and Bradleys) are going to be wearing this as well? Crap... and we just did the Sand colored version too!! Steve The Army Times had a story on the new ACU coveralls and flight suits several months ago, Dec or Jan I believe. I don't recall if the article said when they were to begin issuing then though, and I didn't pay to much attention since I'm in the Air Force and not the Army. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Ah, thanks for the info. I've seen the new duds you Air Force guys are about to get. Kinda a dusty gray tigerstripe pattern. Odd choice, but whatever... Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Steve, Go here: https://peosoldier.army.mil/pmequipment/faqs.asp Seems things aren't final yet, but answers a lot. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Thanks for the link Rune, however there is no mention of an ACU based Nomex coverall as far as I could see. Their website has been useful in the past, especially the Rapid Fielding Initiative info. But the info gets stale so it isn't totally reliable. For example, they still have the Mounted Warrior info posted and that program got axed. If I missed something, please let me know! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnersman Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Don't forget the cool shades! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Steve, Just put them in! PLEASE! We'll eventually be using these. I'm trying to get my hands on a pair. Then again, I'm an ACU addict. I have ridiculous amoounts of ACU patterened gear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SG Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 All, My unit is issued ACU nomex crewman suits for all vehicle crews. It a FT Knox Armor community initiative but is trickling down (due to MGS fielding). It is good stuff, although hot. ACU gore-tex in lt wt and hvy wt, and an interesting gore-tex/nomex blend is also issued. Crazy amount of stuff right before deployment is the norm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Right now, it's still pretty much the standard OD Nomex coveralls.Occasionally I see some tan ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dook Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 It seems that the ACU Nomex coveralls are already being issued, for final pre-production tests anyways. From the above-mentioned Army Times article: November 06, 2006 Going cammie Aircrew, tankers adopt new uniforms to blend in By Matthew Cox Staff writer Army fliers and tankers will soon don digital camouflage uniforms to help them blend in with their fellow soldiers. Uniform officials at Program Executive Office Soldier are finalizing two new versions of the Army Combat Uniform: the Army Aviation Combat Uniform and the Improved Combat Vehicle Crewman Coverall. The effort follows the Army's decision to replace the battle dress and desert camouflage uniforms with the ACU in June 2004. Like the aircrew and tanker uniforms soldiers are now wearing, both new ACUs are made of flame-resistant Nomex fabric to protect these soldiers from fuel fires, a risk more associated with helicopters and armored vehicles. "Essentially, all we are doing is upgrading the aviation and vehicle crewman community's uniforms while we upgrade to an ACU pattern," said Al Dassonville, deputy product manager for Clothing and Individual Equipment. Still, both new ACUs also have been redesigned with new features. Uniform officials began working with the armor and aviation communities last fall to learn what changes needed to be made. The Army Aviation Combat Uniform will change more. It replaces the Improved Aircrew Battle Dress Uniform and looks very similar to the ACU most soldiers wear. But the AACU adds zipper closures to the jacket's two upper sleeve pockets and two breast pockets, as well as to the two thigh- and calf-level cargo pockets. The pockets also have a Velcro-like strip to close them. "The pilots like the zippers," Lt. Col. Steven Wolf, deputy commander of the Operational Support Airlift Agency at Fort Belvoir, Va., said, describing how they help keep small items from falling out of aviators' pockets and damaging aircraft instruments. "It's just more secure." The new AACU also has several unique features unlike the ACU and existing aircrew uniform. •Upper sleeve pockets are slightly larger and sit farther back on the shoulder than those on the ACU, which is supposed to allow aviators to carry heavy items more comfortably. Shoulder pockets from the older aviation uniform have been removed. •Like the ACU, the jacket features Velcro-style backings for name, Army tapes and rank. •A pen pocket on the forearm is similar to the one on the ACU, but covered with a flap closure. •Velcro-style waist tabs on the AACU jacket are aimed at preventing fabric from snagging inside the aircraft. •The deep pleats in the side cargo pockets have been scaled back to prevent snagging. •Both calf pockets feature a smaller pocket sewn to the outside for smaller items. For the armor community, the biggest change the new uniform brings is the ACU's digital camouflage pattern. The armor community decided few additional changes were needed, said Maj. Clay Williamson, assistant product manager for clothing and individual equipment. "They didn't want to make many changes to the uniform," Williamson said. "They were happy with it the way it was." Cammies will be a change for the armor community, which has always worn a solid color, Dassonville said. It was easier to manufacture the Nomex blend fabric for the vehicle crewman uniform in a solid color, he added, but recent technical advancements in the fabric industry have changed that. The new vehicle crewman uniform will eventually feature: •An ACU-style pen pocket. •Velcro-style waist tabs. •A reinforced seat. Uniform officials first presented the ACU pattern to senior Army leaders in December 2003. After its approval in 2004, Sgt. Maj. Of the Army Kenneth Preston and Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker directed the new uniform to be fielded to units deploying to combat theaters beginning in April 2005. New soldiers began receiving the ACU in October 2005 as part of their clothing bag issue. It became available for purchase at Army military clothing sales stores in April. Active, Guard and Reserve soldiers will be required to own two sets of the ACU by May 2007 and four sets by May 2008. So far, the Army has fielded about 5,000 of the first 10,000 new aviation uniforms to units such as the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas. Equipment officials plan to begin fielding the first 10,000 vehicle crewman coveralls by the end of the year. The Army plans to field enough to outfit the roughly 75,000 soldiers in each of the armor and aviation communities, Dassonville said. Soldiers who receive this first batch of vehicle crewman uniforms are part of a final three-month user evaluation, Williamson said. Uniform officials will take that information and make any small adjustments needed before the uniform goes into full production. "We don't want to build anything if it's not acceptable for soldiers," Williamson said. "There is no way we would know that without putting it on soldiers' backs. They will find ways to tear things up that no laboratory ever could." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Thanks for all the info guys! We'll see what we can do DOH! I did some research and guess what? Some of these uniforms are being made in spitting distance from my house by a small sub contractor. Hmmmm.... I wonder if I should be dumpster diving for rejected samples? Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Game Designer and Uniform Collector Arrested for Trespass and Petty Theft Northern Maine News @ 11 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hehe... not to worry... I'm friends with the local PD, so I'd probably get a warning and a stern talking to my first time. A second time and I think the Chief would give me a good thrashing for being such a jerk Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 1SG, Which unit are you in at Fort Knox. I just did my OBC there for like six months (Oct-March). Probably the worst weather I've ever faced! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SG Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 LT Mike, Not at Fort Knox. Ft Lewis, 4-2 Stryker Brigade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Oh. I'm 3-2 at Lewis. Going downrange sometime within the next few weeks to link up with the rest of the brigade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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