Chris G

[Kuniworth]

I should be the last to ask for a public hanging but neo-nazism doesnt belong here. In Sweden it's against the law to speak or act against groups in a racist way and I'm sick of seeing it here. "holohoax" quotes and mixing up cremations with gasing in a way to diminish the genocide is totally unacceptable.

I urge the moderators to bring an ultimatum to Chris G to stop his neo-nazi propaganda. If he can't restrain himself from continuing this crap I hope the moderators will ban him immediately. Give him a chance but that's it, too bad cause he have posted many valid posts aboiut the game. I don't know the canadian/american laws on nazism but this behavior is simply outrageous.

And I tell you guys. If he is allowed to continue what I would define aw a clear violation of the forum rules I dont know if I want to stay around. No threat but just the way I feel.

[JerseyJohn]

I rarely feel this way, but Kuni is right. I second the request.

-- Hoping the moderators read this in the spirit in which it is offered. The things this guy's been saying really do cross the line.

[John C]

I personally haven't seen anything from him that would warrent such a stern rebuke but I have not been paying strict attention to such things. Were the most offensive comments deleted? Or are there quotes or links available for review?

[JerseyJohn]

Look here, John:

Elie Wiesel on Oprah - Editorial on miscellany . . . Pages: 1 2 3

It's in this same SC-2 Forum.

[SeaMonkey]

Whoa!!! Wait a minute guys. Now I'm not an advocate of any type of "ism" when it is pursued to the extreme, but there is such a thing as freedom of expression.

I don't adhere to anything as vial as what Chris G has implied, if indeed he is implying that the Holocaust is a hoax, I'm on the record it is a despicable act of denial.

But he has a right to say it, perhaps not in this forum though. The Ads can decide. If our vote counts for anything, then I too agree this venom can be spewed elsewhere.

I would first ask that he not reiterate the implication again or at least clarify his statement with a rational discussion.

Diplomacy and civility first, a little friendly persuasion second, tightening of the "rack" third, and then???? Well we hold that as an alternative option always on the table.

[John C]

Originally posted by JerseyJohn:

Look here, John:

Elie Wiesel on Oprah - Editorial on miscellany . . . Pages: 1 2 3

It's in this same SC-2 Forum.

Thanks JJ, but I only see one post by Chris G in that thread and it questions whether one witness changed his story. [i'll confess, I haven't followed Elie's story at all] I think others successfully point out that the discrepency could be the difference between the death and the disposal of the body. But I do not see any wild claims about the holocaust not existing at all or any statements that are grossly offensive. Were other statements deleted or is that one statement the basis of the case against him? If that is all he said, then I would say it might be a little unsympathetic, but it certainly doesn't strike me as sufficiently offensive to justify the recommendations of this thread.

[JerseyJohn]

John,

He's made the posts, we aren't after him for that single remark. In another thread he makes sarcastic remarks about The Holohoax.

I've been reading his remarks in various threads without commenting on them. Enough already. There's no reason for that kind of nonsense.

-- Unless we want to stick some swastikas on the game map and unit icons and get into the true national socialist spirit of the thing.

[John C]

Well, as I posted in another thread, I do not see a problem with having swasticas in the game. I am the first to admit that the Nazi party was evil but that symbol is a part of the history of the nation and the era. I believe in using the confederate flag in American Civil War games even though the south supported and defended the institution of slavery. I believe in using the soviet flag in games despite the atrocities committed by Stalin. And likewise, I believe in using the historical German flag even though I do not support or condone the racial policies of the Nazi party.

The modern German government does not allow the swastica to be used for any purpose and therefore companies must use fictitious symbols in order to sell in that country. I therefore understand why the game companies change the symbols. But I do not live in Germany and I prefer the historical flags even though I do not agree with many of the policies that they historically represented.

I have not seen blantant racist comments by Chris G. That is not to say that comments were not made, but I have not seen them. I am all for censoring blatantly offensive statements on boards such as this. I am all for removing disruptive elements. But I have not yet seen evidence of any of that. Again, he may have made such comments, but I have not seen anything that rises to that level. And while I do support enforcement of rules of conduct, I hope that any such actions are predicated on real offenses.

[Desert Dave]

ALL of these quotes are from SeaMonkey,

A well-meaning, I am convinced, and

Learned, intelligent human:

#1)

The lesson is to act when the evil is in its infancy. Recognize its potential early and neutralize it before it becomes strong.

#2)

Diplomacy and civility first...

#3)

Whoa!!! Wait a minute guys. Now I'm not an advocate of any type of "ism" when it is pursued to the extreme, but there is such a thing as freedom of expression.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,

Somehow,

Some way,

I am trying to give fair hearing, but,

These 3 quotes don't... QUITE, jive,

At least, not to me. :confused:

ROOT OUT "evil" at EARLIEST possible instant,

Since, as we know,

The deed very OFTEN follows, is father to

The constant, oft-repeated THOUGHT,

And yet,

No, never mind, let's wait awhile,

See what happens down the road some.

See if time is on our side,

See if the "evil" will wilt away

All by itself,

Who knows,

Could be a... beneficence

In odd disguise - ah! so,

All depends on WHICH kind of perceived evil,

Hey, I get it.

LOLOL!

Could have been applied in a more recent

Pre-emptive and INSANE

And commonly tolerated

Inanity, eh SM?

[dicedtomato]

As Judge Holmes said, "The right to free speech does not give you the right to shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theater." Chris G has many public venues where he can express his opinions. This is a private forum. If it's okay to argue here that the Holocaust is a hoax, then it must be equally acceptable to advocate sex between adults and children.

As to what Chris G actually said, he referred to the Holocaust as a "holohoax". That's not a word that's used casually. It specifically means that the Jews faked the Holocaust. If some of you want to give Chris G the benefit of the doubt, then be my guest. Holocaust Deniers love that. It's a little trick they use: "Oh, no, we're not saying that no Jews died. We're just saying that it was only 200,000, and they died from typhus, not gas chambers. And, you know, it really was their own fault. They shouldn't have made the Germans mad..."

I'm not playing that game.

DT

[Major Spinello]

I think threads like this one should be closed by default without comment. If I get irritated by racist, abusive etc posts from some other forum member somewhere, I just tell the admin, but do not open threads about the guy. Just my 2 pence.

[SeaMonkey]

Possibly contradictory, even a bit hypocritical, definitely misleading ehh,.. DD?

I'll attest, those are optional perspectives and no doubt I'm guilty, even if unintended.

"ALL of these quotes are from SeaMonkey,

A well-meaning, I am convinced, and

Learned, intelligent human:"

vs.

"These 3 quotes don't... QUITE, jive,"

So much for learned and intelligent.

Seems I'm guilty of neither.

All in all though, in Chris G instance, I'll be an advocate that the appropriate action has been taken, as you have been an eloquent contributer of.

Nice to know, we're on the same side.

[Fartknock3r]

I'm Disgusted by Holocaust/Genocide deniers. It just sickens me, especially by having ancestors that had to go through it.

[Rolend]

I would like to ask this, are political, relegious or socail views off limit in this forum? If so then I think a lot of us, to include myself need to be warned and then banned if we continue. If those types of views are allowed within the frame work of the subject then I think banning any one for their views, no matter how wrong they might be, should not happen.

Look if we start banning ideas then someone has to be the judge of which ideas those are. Who is to decide which views are ok to discuss and which are not? You Kuniworht, JJ or DT?

Sorry but I have never nor will I ever be for censorship, book burning(which is EXACTLY the same thing) or any type of queling of ideas. ALL ideas have a place and how can we truly decide which are best if we can't hear them all???

Personally I KNOW the Holocust happened and beleive that anyone who says other wise is either stupid, politicaly motivated or both. It is much better for me to know WHO the person that thinks that way is, so I can be aware of the type of person I am dealing with.

Start banning ideas you don't like or agree with, no matter how offensive those ideas might be and you start down a very slippery slope and will only end with no ideas being allowed.

[jon_j_rambo]

@Chris G. --- What's up BuntaLoverBoy? Yeah, you think it's funny when my Uncle as a kid was in a camp? Guess what pal, he escaped, with several other relatives, HaHaHaHaHa! Got back to the USA where he was a lawyer & raised a great free Christian Captialist family. My other Uncle K. served in the U.S. Navy, and had the priviledge, duty, & honor of dropping depth charges on Nazi dudes in submarines. The Nazis went after the Jews, God's chosen in the O.T., and you lost. The masterbate race lost, dead. How do you like that? How was Dresden for some payback? Take your flag, and Neo-Nazi love to the next hate march in your town, not mine. Maybe you should watch History Channel, and check out Jesse Owens showing the Buntas who is the masterace.

@Kuni --- In the USA, you can be a Nazi. They have marches...like 2 dudes, LOL You should see the people who comeout in counter-protest. The masterace ain't so tough then! Hiding behind their computer they are.

@Everybody --- 4 years ago when I stepped on the scene, I could "sense the Bunta love", it was obvious. I like to play a game, not induldge in these Nazi fantasies. I didn't "come out of the closet" until all this crap started...including USA bashing.

Idaho is too great for hate,

-Legend

[JerseyJohn]

Rolend,

You're a few years late to be joining some of us here in defending freedom of speech because we've been doing it since the start.

As for censure, banning, whatever, nobody was pushing that. What we were doing was, and is, saying that we don't like seeing someone coming in and saying the nazis never killed millions of Jews, Poles, Russians, Gympsies, Masons, Communists and countless of their own people who also had the audacity to want to say things that were on their minds.

If you want to defend people who come in and start building a pro-nazi platform feel free. Maybe that's freedom of speech but I doubt it. Anyway, I won't hang around very long to read that drek and neither will most of the other members.

But it won't come to that. After a while, if it gets out of hand, there will be a gentle reminder from up above that this is a commercial site and the management reserves the right to put the lid on certain kinds of remarks. The individual in question should take all of this in the spirit of advice.

[Kuniworth]

Originally posted by Rolend:

I would like to ask this, are political, relegious or socail views off limit in this forum? If so then I think a lot of us, to include myself need to be warned and then banned if we continue. If those types of views are allowed within the frame work of the subject then I think banning any one for their views, no matter how wrong they might be, should not happen.

Look if we start banning ideas then someone has to be the judge of which ideas those are. Who is to decide which views are ok to discuss and which are not? You Kuniworht, JJ or DT?

Sorry but I have never nor will I ever be for censorship, book burning(which is EXACTLY the same thing) or any type of queling of ideas. ALL ideas have a place and how can we truly decide which are best if we can't hear them all???

Personally I KNOW the Holocust happened and beleive that anyone who says other wise is either stupid, politicaly motivated or both. It is much better for me to know WHO the person that thinks that way is, so I can be aware of the type of person I am dealing with.

Start banning ideas you don't like or agree with, no matter how offensive those ideas might be and you start down a very slippery slope and will only end with no ideas being allowed.

What you really is saying is that its ok to write "holohoax" and imply that the holocoast was a fake and survivors were "lying".

Ok so if I told you for example that you were an complete idiot, mother****er, asshole, stupid **** etc etc you would feel it to be ok?

[Fartknock3r]

So where is good old Chris G neway?

[jon_j_rambo]

This guy is a Neo-Nazi, knew it all along.

[Guest Mike]

Alive and well on the Ellie Wesl thread ranting and raving about how the jews want to kill us all.....

[Chris G]

Lol you're

[Chris G]

Let’s prosecute this NON believer of d truth (Holohoax). In d name of d clean belief let put em all in prison (concentration camps) as long as only d enemy (non-jews r killed). Cause they r not humans any-way (like d Palestinians).

[Guest Mike]

Hi Mom!

[Chris G]

Quote - Winston Churchill (even he regretted to be a puppet of d (people of d devil) jews.

[Chris G]

OMG, I'm an evil neo-Nazi - or maybe just a whistleblower.