Xavier Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hello, I read somewhere on the internet that the Kv2 Tank couldn't turn its heavy turret if it was not on a flat ground. May be just a little thing to remember before coding the beast Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawBroon Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 Some patches ago, BTS coded the fact that tanks would swerve their tracks towards their target to speed the aiming process up. I doubt the KV2 will be treated differently from what we know now, IE a slow turret. My bet is that you'll see KV2s turn towards you as SU152 would for example... Now, considering BTS has always been a coding Bag'O'Many Tricks, a surprise wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 Its not that an uncommon problem in AFV's which don't have power driven turret traverse. Even the Panzer IV, Ausf J, actually suffered from it because they were mainly built with only manual traverse. The turret was simply too heavy to be moved manually but the war situation and the lack of copper mean that the Germans simply couldn't afford to manufacture the electric motors needed. The KV II merely was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by PawBroon: Some patches ago, BTS coded the fact that tanks would swerve their tracks towards their target to speed the aiming process up. I doubt the KV2 will be treated differently from what we know now, IE a slow turret. My bet is that you'll see KV2s turn towards you as SU152 would for example...<hr></blockquote> IIRC that wouldn't work with the KVII. Gravity would swing the turret downhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Brian: Its not that an uncommon problem in AFV's which don't have power driven turret traverse. Even the Panzer IV, Ausf J, actually suffered from it because they were mainly built with only manual traverse. The turret was simply too heavy to be moved manually but the war situation and the lack of copper mean that the Germans simply couldn't afford to manufacture the electric motors needed. The KV II merely was worse.<hr></blockquote> I thought they deliberately removed the turret traverse motor and gear from the MkIV J to add an extra fuel tank. I wonder if my source is wrong, hm. -dale [ 01-18-2002: Message edited by: dalem ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 I've heard of the Tiger II being hell to turn by hand on anything past a 3 degree slope (though the power traverse helped, of course). And the M10 TD kept getting new rear counterweight upgrades because the unbalanced turret caused similar problems if turned on a slope. But the KV-2 turret may well be in a class by itself. No hull-down reverse slope firing positions for this beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 The Panzer IV J had many design features deleted and the power traverse was one of them for the reasons stated above. The extra fuel was a beneficial after effect of the removal of the power traverse engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Priest: The Panzer IV J had many design features deleted and the power traverse was one of them for the reasons stated above. The extra fuel was a beneficial after effect of the removal of the power traverse engine.<hr></blockquote> Ahh, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Brian: [QB]Even the Panzer IV, Ausf J, actually suffered from it because they were mainly built with only manual traverse. The turret was simply too heavy to be moved manually but the war situation and the lack of copper mean that the Germans simply couldn't afford to manufacture the electric motors needed.[QB]<hr></blockquote> What is your source on this Brian? Sounds logical but I haven't heard it being said with that much certainty before. It was clearly a recognized problem though, the manual turret traverse mechanism that was installed in the J tanks incorporated a second gear intended to, at least partly, tackle the problem with rotating the turret while standing on uneven ground. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 In "Death Traps" Belton Cooper mentions they noticed the Panther seemed to suffer from traverse problems as well. For those who complain about Panther traverse being too slow, he also related a story about an M4A1 76 that turned a corner during the Bulge (I think it was then) and came face to face with a Panther. The Panther's turret was traversed straight out to the side. The gunner fired but instead of aiming at that nice thin turret side it went straight into the glacis plate and ricocheted. He got off 2 more shots before the Panther finally got the turret around and nailed the Sherman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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