RMC Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 I attended a series of briefings today by the prime contractors in the running for the Army's Future Combat System. The second contractor had one slide that showed some very familiar looking 3D terrain. Sure enough it was taken from CM. They used it as a backdrop to place 2D icons as part of explaining their concept. I was stunned and thought I had a little scandal on my hands until I saw small print at the bottom of the slide "Terrain graphic used with permission of Battlefront.com." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commissar Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 How cool would it be if a slightly modified version of CM is used as an army training tool for the higher ranks? They used OpFlash for the Marines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ol one eye. Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 It would be great if BTS was secretly subcontacted to develop a highly modded CM, one that can handle modern warfare. It could be used to teach some good lessons, I have learned alot about tactics and stragety from it, giving me better idea of how everything comes together. But then again, Im not in the military, so I dont know how well CM could fully incorporate modern warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Meyer Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 WOW, thats awesome, maybe BTS will get military funding, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Rommel22: WOW, thats awesome, maybe BTS will get military funding, haha.<hr></blockquote> Military funding.....there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Meyer Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 huh? What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted January 19, 2002 Author Share Posted January 19, 2002 I don't think CM would ever make it into service as a standard sim. Sure it could be updated to cover modern weapon systems, but the basic premise of one player controlling everything doesn't work for the military. DoD just doesn't do turn-based sims. The contractor was just using a screenshot devoid of units to show terrain in a powerpoint slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 Why should the army have all the fun? I want a "highly modded CM, one that can handle modern warfare"!!! Take the army's money and give us the game! Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 If the army is training on a "sim" that does not have spraying fire for Machine guns, or MGs that can fire at more than one target at a time, no illumination at night, no way to clear mines other then thrown DCs, no way to clear wire or obstacles, and worst of all, no Bren tripods, then God help our lads out in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stixx Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 Have a look at Decisive Action. It was developed exclusively for the military and was latter modified for the commercial market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RMC: I don't think CM would ever make it into service as a standard sim. Sure it could be updated to cover modern weapon systems, but the basic premise of one player controlling everything doesn't work for the military. DoD just doesn't do turn-based sims.<hr></blockquote> TacOps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted January 19, 2002 Author Share Posted January 19, 2002 Tac ops and Decisive Action were not DoD developments. There may be people in DoD who are using them for various reasons but dod still clings to JCATS, JANUS, CBS and BBS. All of these are massively multiplayer and reinforce staff procedures and the Military Decision Making Process. CM can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 I'm ready to plunk down my money right this moment for a modern version of Combat Mission. And, since I realize the demand for this genre isn't that great, I'm ready to pay a premium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavguy Posted January 19, 2002 Share Posted January 19, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RMC: Tac ops and Decisive Action were not DoD developments. There may be people in DoD who are using them for various reasons but dod still clings to JCATS, JANUS, CBS and BBS. All of these are massively multiplayer and reinforce staff procedures and the Military Decision Making Process. CM can't do that.<hr></blockquote> Currently TACOPS has been licensed and used for the US Army and was incorporated into the Armor Captain's Course. We MDMPed, wargamed, and fought battles aginst other small groups. The "company commanders" actually saw the screen and had to use handheld radios to call in reports. The commander and his staff had to battle track and issue orders to the commanders, which a "puckster" put into the computer. We even designed some custom scenarios on the NTC maps to practice company and TF Missions we planned. So at least at some levels, the Army is using it. But the sad fact is that most senior officers have no concept of what commercial computer sims can do - M1TP2 and Steel Beasts are 90% of CCTT and a hell of a lot better than SIMNET - and cost a lot less! [ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: Cavguy ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted January 19, 2002 Author Share Posted January 19, 2002 I think that as more gen x type folks gain rank, commercial products will gain more acceptance. But there is still the need to insulate the commanders and staffs being trained from the pucking in front of the monitor. The whole point is to use the sim to drive the exercise. It'll take awhile for any of this to trickle into a brigade CPX/TOCEX. Commerical wargames have a sort of "Toy" image vice the hardcore military sims. FBCB2 and ABCS may accelerate the trend toward acceptance, but now those real systems are coming under fire for encouraging micromanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Vanir Ausf B: And as for maintaining the American hegemony for 2000 years - I don't mind. It's better than a Chinese, Zimbabwean or Luxembourgian hegemony. -fytinghellfish <hr></blockquote> Hey! That's me! Did you clear that with my lawyers? I trademark and copyright everything I type. Oh boy.. you're in for the lawsuit of a lifetime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Balaban Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 I did ask BTS if CM would be brought up to the mordern war fair like TacOps. At that time they said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commissar Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: If the army is training on a "sim" that does not have spraying fire for Machine guns, or MGs that can fire at more than one target at a time, no illumination at night, no way to clear mines other then thrown DCs, no way to clear wire or obstacles, and worst of all, no Bren tripods, then God help our lads out in Afghanistan.<hr></blockquote> You're right Michael! They had best wait until CMBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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