PantherG Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Does anybody ever by unfit arty spotters? It cuts the price by a great deal. Quite a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 See, I never think of gamey tricks like that. How does it effect their performance? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by Michael emrys: See, I never think of gamey tricks like that. How does it effect their performance? MichaelI'm guessing their spotting goes out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! " Did somebody actually say that, or are you making it up? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by Michael emrys: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! " Did somebody actually say that, or are you making it up? Michael</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Oh, okay. I never saw that movie. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 You should. I doubt the fire of the spotter will be less precise. But the spotter will be slower, and CMBB spotters are no roadrunners to spart from. When they come under minimal fire and get into forced sneak mode they'll exhaust in no time. And I bet the recovery time is worse, too. If their position gets overrun they cannot get out. They bring many victory points for the opponent and non-radio spotters cannot ride back on vehicles either. Having said that - I kinda like the 152mm spotter with 20 rounds for ... 51 points EDIT: remarks below are right: you cannot choose in the quickbattle forces menu. Doh. Bummer. I want my 152mm :mad: :mad: :mad: [ December 13, 2002, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: redwolf ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherG Posted December 14, 2002 Author Share Posted December 14, 2002 What I generally buy unfit spotters for is a preplanned barrage and then quick departure from the board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Umm, guys, I can't see how you can buy an Unfit spotter other than by having your whole force classed as Unfit, which brings you a host of problems. Are you saying that there is a way of selecting fitness levels for individual units in the purchase screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherG Posted December 14, 2002 Author Share Posted December 14, 2002 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by PantherG: Yes.How?! In a QB you have to select the fitness for ALL the troops or pick "Random", in which case it picks for you. Er, I'm guessing you now have an entire Company of infantry that is strapped to oxygen tanks and wheelchairs, correct? [ December 13, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Terrapin ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Smallwood Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Buy unfit spotters if you wanna; for me they'll hardly move their fat butts as it is. The vastly more interesting question, (for me I mean), is what effect does it have to purchase a *Veteran/Crack/Elite* spotter? Is he "better" at saying "to the left"? Or would it (almost) purely be a matter of self-preservation if bad luck happens, or less panicky if a few bullets come sailing to the backfield??? For better accuracy, I'd take it, but it's hard to rationalize that "ability". Eden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkai88 Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by Eden Smallwood: The vastly more interesting question, (for me I mean), is what effect does it have to purchase a *Veteran/Crack/Elite* spotter? Actually - the delay times can be much quicker for crack spotters. I ran a little test awhile back and if I remember correctly, Conscript and green had the same delay and adjust times; regular and vets were the same and crack and elite were the same. So in other words don't buy green, vet, or elite. At least as far as I could tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Smallwood Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by arkai88: So in other words don't buy green, vet, or elite.! Talk about 'gamey' trivia! I'm not blaming you for knowing of course! I just wonder if that's based on something defensible; it seems hard to rationalize a difference in delay times... Ah well- "All's fair", eh? Eden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkai88 Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by Eden Smallwood: I just wonder if that's based on something defensible; Not sure if I follow what you mean there eden. The delay times were identical for green/conscript spotters if that's what you mean. As far as accuracy of the barrage, that's really hard to say if there's a difference as it seems very random to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Smallwood Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by arkai88: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eden Smallwood: [qb] I just wonder if that's based on something defensible; Not sure if I follow what you mean there eden.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 PantherG, how do you manage to have different levels of fitness within your force, e.g. unfit and cheap FOs and the rest of your troops with normal fitness level? In my CMBB I can only select one fitness level for my whole force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherG Posted December 14, 2002 Author Share Posted December 14, 2002 I don't think it's possible in QB's, but I was simply referring to battles my friends and I play and create. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by Eden Smallwood: ... is it reasonable, or historical or based on RealLife™ in any way that a Crack spotter would have a smaller delay time than a Regular.Yes, it is reasonable and historical and realistic. I'm reasoning that all anyone has to do is give some feedback to the gunner, but I don't have the knowledge. My understanding is that he just calls in the adjustments, and does not need to do anything like break out his sliderule and do some math, ... Ah yes, but its the quality of the feedback that changes. With better feedback the whole adjustment process is shortened, and one gets to FFE faster. Which, oddly enough, is exactly what happens in CMBB Regards JonS [ December 14, 2002, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: JonS ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by JonS: Ah yes, but its the quality of the feedback that changes. With better feedback the whole adjustment process is shortened, and one gets to FFE faster. Which, oddly enough, is exactly what happens in CMBB I also always assumed that a more experienced spotter would likely be attached to a more experienced gun battery, which would be quicker at calculating and laying in adjustments, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurd Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 As YD, i've read somewhere the experience of the spotter represents the expereince of {spotter and battery}. So all the guys actually pointing, and firing the guns in the rear are either green/vet/crack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunze Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 According to the manual, your artillery is more likely to fall off-target if the spotter is inexperienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Originally posted by Frunze: According to the manual, your artillery is more likely to fall off-target if the spotter is inexperienced.I've had conscript spotters before. Once called in a non-line of site area fire, and it was like the barrage came in everywhere BUT the spotting location. It went OUT OF ITS WAY to not hit that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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