blue division Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Any opinions on the best defensive units in the Desert (the western desert rather than Tunisia - it's a lot flatter). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Your question is a bit vague - The matter of the 'best' units is tied closely with tactical employment. Try reading some books that deal with the real life combat in N. Africa to get a better sense of how the weaponry and tactics evolved from Hobart to Montgomery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue division Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 I mean in a flat environment in the western desert - as i said in the question. The weather of course will by dry and clear. it is a defensive battle. there, can i put it any clearer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Yes, you can put it clearer then that. Which nation are you playing? What force composition are you allowed and facing? What month and year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Defending against what? Troops? AFVs? Sand Worms? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogust Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 The 40mm Bofors is your best bet, at least if the enemy is coming at you with thinly armoured vehicles. Otherwise I'd go with a MG42 on a tripod in a trench or perhaps a Matilda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue division Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 Does 40mm have a good effect on infantry? How about static defences such as MG pill boxes? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogust Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 The point is that there isn't a unit that will make you magically win all your battles, it all kinda depends on what you're facing... In CM you have to buy a force that can tackle everything the enemy throws against you and that means you have to buy a number of different weapon systems, the skill is in guessing what you'll be up against and prepare countermeasures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Sandstorms (which can pop up suddenly in clear weather)...and mechanical breakdowns...and sandflies...and heavy demands on water supply. Everything else is secondary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue division Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 well at the moment mg pillboxes and heavy MG's and 57mm AT guns in trenches seem to be very effective in the desert. the pillbox has the advantage that it has an almost limitless quantity of ammo. Very good at slowing down infantry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Originally posted by blue division: The weather of course will by dry and clear.Which Western Desert is this then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 25pr. in a trench on a fighting crest is quite good and ATRs are handy for winding up any armour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireXI Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I found that AT pillboxes in the open desert are very scary. If you ever were able to pass these in a game I would like to know how. These at long range open and flat terrain are real big killers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 smoke and dust. Edit: and night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I particularly favor the French 75mm field gun. It's exceptional in every way. I believe this is essentially the same french 75mm made famous in WWI. Rapid rate of fire, high muzzle velocity, large HE blast rating, low profile and hard to spot, good penetration rating even considering only HE is available. 25lbr is great too, if a somewhat big target. Put it in a trench. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roqf77 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 25 pdrs, machine guns,atgs depending on country and time a churchill is a good defencive option. But remember to not pack everything to close together or your oponent will just bring lots of arty and just shell it all to pieces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Puppchen Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Uhhh.... what about the 88mm FLAK? What about commander Bach? What about Hellfire Pass? Also snipe with the 6 pounder guns. If the enemy has little / no HE on armor AT guns are in hog heaven. After the Sherman with 75mm direct HE both sides can dish it out and the defensive stuff is proportionally more vulnerable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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