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LMAO...

I can ättest to it working in OS9 at least
Abteilung is something else. Translation would be something like "section" or "division", but I'm not sure what it means in military organisation, but I'm pretty sure that an "Abteilung" is much smaller than a division and probably a little bigger than a section.

Aufklärung means recon.

I often see "ei" and "ie" the other way round i.e. "Kriegsmarine" (German Navy in WWII) is made into "Kreigsmarine" pretty frequently.

They are pronounced completely differently though:

Abteilung would be [up-tile-oonk]

Kriegsmarine [kreeks-mahreena]

so whenever you pronounce it [ee] it will be "ie"

when you say its "ei". Easy, huh? ;)

Well, I guess this doesn't help, since you won't know the pronounciation if you don't know German.

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Tankibanki,

I can barely spell in English (my native language) much less German.

Abteilung = Battalion, does it not?

So the 1st Hermann Goering Armored Recon Battalion would be 1 HG PanzerAufklaerung Abteilung, no?

DavidI

[ January 24, 2006, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: David I ]

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I know German, but unfortunately I don't know much about unit organisation in the Wehrmacht much less in the SS.

I know that a battalion is a "Battalion" in German today and I guess it will have been the same in the Wehrmacht. I have read that Abteilung is a detachment of varying structure but commonly battalion sized, so it would be ok to see an Abteilung as a battalion, but still I think anything with a Btl at the end should be called Battalion, not an Abteilung.

On the other hand this site (http://home.clara.net/percy/glossary.htm) says:

Aufklärungsabteilung = Recon Battalion

Still I think that is not the literal translation but rather a translation which takes into account that those "Abteilungs" were Battalion sized.

Anyway, as I said, Im no the one to ask about this kind of thing, sorry.

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= = = I have read that Abteilung is a detachment of varying structure but commonly battalion sized = = =

It depends on were you have a look at the Abteilung:

= a panzerabwehr-abteilung(wartime) would be batt.size:

1) Abteilungsstab

2) 3 Panzerabwehr-Kompanien

3) Maschinen-Gewehr-Kompanie(Schwer)

4) Abteilungstross

But if you look at a Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment from a Panzerdivision:

A Abteilung Geschutze auf Selbstfahrlafette:

1) Abteilungsstab & Stabsbatterie

(Stab, Nachrichtenzug, Vermessungstrupp,

Artillerie-Verbindungstrupp) 11 Offz,

39 Uffz, 131 Mann.

2) 2 leichte Artilleriebatterien

Each 3 Offz, 30 Uffz, 74 Mann

3) schwere Artillerie-Batterie

3 Offz, 30 Uffz, 86 Mann

This one looks a bitt like a battalion missing 1 compagnie, but then:

B leichte Abteilung motorisierter Artillerie:

1) Abteilungsstab & Stabsbatterie

(Stab, Nachrichtenzug, Vermessungstrupp,

Artillerie-Verbindungstrupp)

2) 2 leichte Arilleriebatterien

each 3 Offz, 30 Uffz, 74 Mann

Wouldn't call that battalionsize, nor this one

D Beobachtungs-Abteilung:

1) Stab, Stabspersonal & Nachrichtenpersonal

2) Vermessungsbatterie

This would at most be a compagnie-size unit.

Even battalions were different:

There were Infantry Battalions with 1 MG Comp. and 3 Inf. Comp(each 3 plt. and a Panzerbuchs-grp).

But there were also Infantry Battalions that had infantry comp. each 3 inf.plt., 1 mg plt. and 1 AT plt. (for example 65IR, 16IR and 72IR/ 22LL Div - may 1940).

So its hard to say what is an Abteilung.

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