6thAirborne Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 What can the russians do about King Tigers? My last game saw 6 T-34/85s and 7 SU-100s turned into scrap metal by one of these monstrosities :eek: . I lost count of how many shells just bounced off it. I realise that the chances of getting him increase with side and rear shots but it prooved impossible to get a flank shot. A Soviet force of 3000pts was mashed by a german force of half the size (99% because of the King Tiger) Suggestions are welcome Cheers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Bad weather and heavy artillery tend to make life less fun for King Tigers, but I know what you mean- in an operation a while back, I lost about a dozen T34s killing one of two King Tigers. Then the last one killed a platoon of IS-2s in the next battle. Coordinating attacks to make sure you all break cover at the same time can give less targets he can engage effectively, and appearing from several directions at once can give them a headache. Kind of what the Germans had to do against the KV and T-34s earlier in the war! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 As a general rule, attack armour from different angles simultaneously, whether it's with tanks or other AT assets, or both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 I've learned that the only viable tactic is to assault from 2-3 different angles with a total of at least 4-5 tanks (flank shots from potent AT guns count as well). You are guaranteed to lose at least half of your tanks, but it's the only way to have a fair to chance to demolish the big Tiger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Try to shoot the commanders out of their hatch with snipers or heavy arty. Then try to lure them in obscure terrain. Then let the engineers, 57mm ZIS-2 or 76mm ZIS-3 do their work. Also fortified flank positions give you a opportunity to let King Tigers turn their flank towards you. And last but not least do it with a storm attack and get some t-34 on the back of the KT. Always try to attack from 2 locations. Hope you can do something with this advice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6thAirborne Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 Good points i will try them out! Someone said about killing the commander, i did actually manage that as right at the begining of the game i had 5 batteries of 130mm rockets pound the map, not that it made much difference as the Tiger was a Veteran aswell Oh well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAsta_KFC Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Also, I suggest using smoke, whether by offboard arty, mortars or smoke rounds. If he's in a well defended hull down position, then just smoke the general vicinity before your attack. If he stays, then he's going to get flanked, if he moves out to engage, then he'll lose his spot. Smoke, plus the abovementioned tactics, will give him a hard time if he's relying on that KT as his sole armour busting asset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Or you could just attack where the KT isn't defending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Good point: dropping smoke all around the 'Tiger is a good move to shield the approach of your tank rush. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta1 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 i would be tempted to not even bother attacking it if I didnt have to. If you know your opponent likes buying them turn up with a load of 81mm FOs and everytime it comes out stick smoke on it. if you have a few FOs you can keep this up for a long time. Often it pisses off the opposition so much they try and move it through the smoke into position where its easier to kill. Failing that if you are defending a TRP with a seriously high calibre FO (300m) will often kill/immobilse any tank within about 50m of the TRP. And its not much fun for any escorting infantry either, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Train squirrels to find nuts from tank gun barrels. Then tie a 89mm plug into the end of their tails. Let them loose on German tanks. The squirrels go into Königstiger gun barrels hoping to find nuts, but they only pull a plug to the barrel, so that the gun can't be fired. This was a real Soviet tactic. Concentrating on killing the infantry was another thing they practised. [ May 18, 2004, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Sergei ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Clusters Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 How did the squirrels pull an "89mm" about by their tales? An 89mm what? Sounds heavy... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Err... nut? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Clusters Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 That's some nut! :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Actually, this is a tactic that was used by the Western Allies as well. For instance, during the Ardennes Offensive the Germans had surrounded a US occupied city, and demanded the Yanks to surrender. The US commander refused, and the German envoy then warned that they had King Tiger's and asked rhetorically, what on earth could the G.I's use to stop those. "NUTS!" the commander said. The meaning of this conversation was later lost on historians, and they snipped some pieces off from it. Late in the war Germans started using specially trained Nahverteidigungshamsters to eat Allied nuts before they jammed their guns, but alas, they were too little, too late. And if you wonder where they found 89mm nuts, well, they were coconuts! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Clusters Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 My history classes were so incomplete... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Just like scientists have created microscopic amounts of antimatter in laboratory conditions, so has the Battlefront forum created pure anticomedy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Originally posted by Beta1: Failing that if you are defending a TRP with a seriously high calibre FO (300m) [...] That would be called a meteor shower, right? I always thought those can only be called down by high level wizards. Dschugaschwili 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta1 Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 what you mean you havnt found the 300m big bertha city flattening mega gun yet? Just dont fire it on the same map as your guys! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 How many tubes does this one have? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 With 300 metres diameter you only need one tube . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Originally posted by With Clusters: How did the squirrels pull an "89mm" about by their tales? An 89mm what? Sounds heavy... perhaps they were carried by a pair of African swallows? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Originally posted by undead reindeer cavalry: perhaps they were carried by a pair of African swallows? A Monty Python reference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscript Bagger Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hey Boney, what was the one "good line heard so far"? Just wondering where the bar's been set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Originally posted by undead reindeer cavalry: perhaps they were carried by a pair of African swallows? No, you daft or something??? They were African flying squirrels belonging to the British SAS (Squirrel Air Service). Hitler tried to stop them by sending Rommel to Africa, the plan was to cut down all forests from Sahara so the squirrels couldn't glide from tree to tree. Rommel almost succeeded in his mission, which is why there are nowadays very few trees standing in Sahara (the place looks almost like a desert). The legendary Beaver Korps took part in this operation, the later film The Dam Busters (1954) tells exactly about the RAF struggle to destroy the beaver strongholds. Am I twisting the knife to the right direction, Bone_Vulture? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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