KursruK Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 On a later Stug, the upper hull is "80/curved". What does the "curved" more literally mean? Is it better than a 60 degree sloping? worse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Either/or. "Curved" means the armor on that section for the tank is literally curved, so the actual striking angle will depend partially on *exactly* on where the round strikes the plate. CM models this by adding a random factor to rounds that strike the curved plate - the actual effective armor slope for an individual hit could be anywhere from 0 degrees to 60 degrees, or even greater. Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 Thanks for clearing that up. Does the sight of "curved" make you generally think "damn good" then? Or do you avoid it because of the uncertainty. In other words, is "curved" something to be thought of as exceptional in a very positive sense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Not much on the stug front that anyone would consider curved, unless they're talking about the late war cast 'pig's-head' gun mantlet. Usually, curved is better than flat. [ January 15, 2003, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: Usually, curved is better than flat.The same holds true for women 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Spiral Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 hehe wow now thats confusing. The explinations were not conufsing but the "good or bad" part is. If you have a flat surface, im guessing, unless you have a perfect 90 degree angle shot at it, its got a fair chance of glancing off. (with no special AP type round or some such) But with curved, you have , if im thinking about this right... You have a chance that the shot might hit "the perfect angle" spot on the curved surface, or it might not... Hrmm... from a rank-newbies perspective (that'd be me, on this "armor subject") doesnt seem like either of the two are better or worse... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moore Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: What does the "curved" more literally mean? Is it better than a 60 degree sloping? worse?Last night a Panzer 38t took out my T34/M41 with a front shot to the turret. Does the T34/M41, with its curved front turret armor, have a shot trap? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hijackers! I still want a veteran's take on this. Common sense dictates that curved armor is better than flat-sloped armor. But, I have not noticed a particularly *uber* performance for tanks that have "curved" armor. Should "curved" be thought of as the ultimate armor? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Spiral Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 when talking about projectiles/ballistics/penetration i've noticed that "common sense" doesnt always apply hehe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Should "curved" be thought of as the ultimate armor? In game, certainly not. If you look at the earlier T-34s, 45/curved is very definitely inferior to 45/60. 70/curved (on the T-34 M43) seems roughly comparable to 45/60 (which, in turn, should be roughly comparable in performance to 90/0). Curved armor has the problem, however, that there's a sweet spot which has a 0 degree slope. That area is small, true, but the Germans in particular seem to be good at hitting it. My personal rule of thumb is that I compare it to the 30-degree penetration line when I'm looking at actual units in game, but make sure I never forget that there's most likely a sweet spot which is 0-degree. Your mileage may vary. I have no idea if the game engine can handle a curved plate which never gets to 0 degree. It's possible to build such a thing, but I don't know if any WW II tanks had it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 In practice, it winds up being about like 30 degrees but with slightly higher variance. Not hugely higher, however. If the penetration number is good enough to kill that thickness at 30 degrees, a few hits will do the job. Some of us (ahem) think some plates rated as "curved" deserve to act more like 45 degrees, or to have only a moderate chance (say, 1/3rd) of acting like 30 degrees or less. But in CMBB as it is now, you can KO NN "curved" about as easily as NN "30 degrees". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Curved armour is not really a good thing at the moment, I also think it needs a small tweak upwards. Better than flat (probably) but sloped is much better. A simple visual clue as to it's effectiveness can be seen on the coloured armour bars around a tank profile in the toolbar. Probably the curved part is looking much weaker (eg turret on T34) so position the tank accordingly (eg avoid hull down). Perhaps BFC will comment soon, but at the moment only a select few beta-tester types and super grogs seem to get their ear. Actually as I'd also like to pester them about Tank MGs and the Strategy Guide Tables it's probably wise for them to stay away. Also I've a feeling that Bastables might turn up at any moment, and you can see what happens when the irresistable force (already here) meets the immovable object 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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