Freel Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 In an upcoming PBEM of mine I have a Russian Ampulomet. How do you use this weapon of war and against which targets. Is it more effective against infantary or armour? :confused: If you can, please give me some mini AAR about the Ampulet to flavour this topic. Does anyone have a picture of a real Ampulomet? I can't find anything on google. (Freel changed Ampulet to Ampulomet) [ October 13, 2004, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: Freel ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Ampulomet is the correct name, maybe Googling that will help. It lobs incendiary grenades similar to Molotov coctails against tanks. picture Russians invented it in 1941 to overcome the chronic lack of AT weapons as the production of ATR's was only starting. It turned out to be a failure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freel Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Ow, I'm sorry about the misspelling of Ampulomet. It was a failure? That's why they are so rare in Combat Mission. But I have one now and I want to use it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucho Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 If your Ampul-o-mat remains unseen from the enemy, keep it lobbing cocktails at light tanks and top open vehicles like SPWs. Best used against static targets or against bunched up infantry. Give to this team a HQ with command and/or fire control bonus, so that it will fire faster. Estimated ranges should be more than 100m in order to remain unseen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireXI Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 The way I use this weapon is to use it like a speacialized motar. Use a HQ unit to spot for it and use it against halftracks. Like the 50mm motar, it helps to bunch these up together to increase your rate to fire. Having killed a few halftracks with this, it was kind of cool to see the playback from the p.o.v. of the halftrack. Seeing the area around you just turn into little flames is scary. But using this in direct fire mode without the HQ unit is not very usefull. They are spotted easily and the killed. I do wonder how the shells were propelled. The sound in the game makes it appear like some kind of spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarker Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I believe they were expelled by a black powder charge. Not sure if the ignition of the powder was by a fulminate cap or a spark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I've been subjected to Ampulomet fire a few times vs AI and PBEM. The sequence of: - ka-chack - tinkle - FOOF! ...can be quite disconcerting when you don't even get a sound contact out of it. They are, as noted, at their best versus OT vehicles, but I've seen them KO a Pz 38(t) (mine) and immobilise a Pz IVF2 (opponent's). Originally posted by SpitfireXI: [snipped by Brent] Having killed a few halftracks with this, it was kind of cool to see the playback from the p.o.v. of the halftrack. Seeing the area around you just turn into little flames is scary. [snipped by Brent] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 First time I encountered them they scared me. I was like...WTF is going on! I backed my tank out in a hurry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric plays east Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 in a scenario i took out 2 Pz38t with an ampoulomet ! the grenade are indeed spring propelled ... crazy ivans ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Paul Heinrik Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Someone says spring another says black powder. Which is it? Both types of propulsion? Black powder charge sounds reasonable, but the spring? That is one strong spring. How do the charge it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquon Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 From what I remember reading, it was a spring. (And I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about igniting a home made powder charge to propel a home made molotov cocktail in a home made molotov cocktail projector...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco QNS Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 (And I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about igniting a home made powder charge to propel a home made molotov cocktail in a home made molotov cocktail projector...) Just two words: Northover projector Neither this nor the russian one were "home made", though. I think it was a black powder charge, probably ignited by a little spring. Essex Home Guard The Defence of Workington during WWII Battlefront.com Discussion Area: MAJOR OMISSION - Allied Hand Held 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon DC Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 The ampulomet is one of my favorite Russian early war weapons. I've used them in a couple of scenarios I've designed. Good range. They can take out Pzr III and Pzr IV... I guess they are getting engine cover shots. (This based on playtesting the scenarios). Great to use against bunched up infantry as well. Will tend to panic them. Great against HMG's... they will be sure to panic after a few shots from the ampulomet. Also good for starting areas on fire in dry conditions to provide your defensive positions with some cover by way of smoke from the fires. On the subject of homemade... I came across a site recently about Finish Antitank weapons and the Molitov was extensively mentioned. (The site might be posted in the "research" section of The Proving Grounds... or it might have just been in someone's post). The Finish Molitovs were factory produced and contained a concoction of combustibles... like gas and tar or some other substance to make it stick or burn longer. They mentioned a triggering device other than the old burning rag. Good info on satchel and grenade bundles as well on the same site. I'm sure many were homemade as well. [ October 14, 2004, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Bannon DC ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I assume this is what you mean: http://www.ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/OTHER_AT_WEAPONS1.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon DC Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Yes, exactly. The link above is a "MUST READ!" Information is specific to use in the finish army, but much of the equipment was captured from the Russians or supplied by the Germans which makes it of general information to the Eastern Front. (I did not see anthing on the ampuloment however). Thanks, Sergei 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Wasn't the Piat spring propelled? http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/piat.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Vixen: Wasn't the Piat spring propelled? http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/piat.htm There's been some earlier thread where it was suggested that the spring actually detonated the propellant charge and then absorbed the recoil of the latter re-cocking at the same go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securityguard Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 They were a failure in real life but apparently they're good in CMBB. I've racked some kills with them, and they're pretty cheap. Low ammo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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