Juardis Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 First off, did a search, came up empty. Ahhh for the old days when any question was immediately pelted with "DO A FREAKING SEARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD".....ahem, anyway, thanks for letting me reminisce. Back to the topic. Does a covered arc hurt spotting outside the arc? Intuitively you'd say yes because you're telling your guys to concentrate on what's in the arc. And if so, then the probability of spotting anything outside that arc decreases. I did a test and I think what I'm saying is correct, but I want some other opinions. Anybody have any insights? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJoe Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I think it would hurt spotting outside of the arc because you are telling them to concentrate on one particular area and whatever they do spot outside of that arc would be seen with their peripheral vision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I think it does, but that's just gut feeling. Any chance someone can run some tests or sumfink? I'd do it, but I have more urgent stuff to think about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I'll be the rebel here and say that it does NOT hurt spotting.The arc simply tells the unit to not engage anything unless it is inside the arc or the unit is in danger from a target outside the arc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I did very brief tests and a cover arc didn't seem to have any influence on spoting in any direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbfg Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I played a game this lunchtime against the AI where I had a platoon forward in a patch of woods and then about 100m behind in tall pines was a MG42. The patch of woods was 'L' shaped, but with the 'L' rotated anti clockwise 90 degrees so it was lying on its back and with the three squads arrayed along its back in a line. Their view to the right was slightly restricted but they certainly were in a position to fire on anything that came from that direction. They had no cover arcs. The MG behind had a cover arc which covered the area to the left of the woods where the platoon was located. At that time there was a strong counter attack going on in that direction. Something did appear to the right of the platoon but they, with no cover arc, and even with line of sight to this new enemy to the right, continued to shoot at the attacking forces to their left. The MG42, which was further away and had a cover arc directing it away from that area, turned to engage. I think it's entirely reasonable that those guys should, these new foes had turned up seemingly out of nowhere within 100 metres of where the MG was. The ability of the MG to spot units outside its cover arc didn't seem to be a problem though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted July 8, 2003 Author Share Posted July 8, 2003 hmmm, ok, that's interesting. I too thought that cover arcs was only for shooting purposes and had nothing to do with spotting, but I got suspicious in one of my games when I knew the enemy was out there but I just didn't spot them. Turning off cover arcs led to spotting some units part way through a subsequent turn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbfg Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 To be fair though, the MG42 probably didn't spot them. It just seemed to decide they were enough of a threat to abandon the cover arc for a wee while. That they knew the new infantry threat was there may well have been down to borg spotting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Originally posted by Juardis: hmmm, ok, that's interesting. I too thought that cover arcs was only for shooting purposes and had nothing to do with spotting, but I got suspicious in one of my games when I knew the enemy was out there but I just didn't spot them. Turning off cover arcs led to spotting some units part way through a subsequent turn. is it possible that was just and coincidence? "Turning off cover arcs led to spotting some units part way through a subsequent turn" :confused: -tom w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted July 11, 2003 Author Share Posted July 11, 2003 Yes tom, it could be coincidence, that is why I was asking for other people's experiences. Another bit o anecdotal evidence is that it happened in another battle (not a test, but an actual battle). I turned off covered arcs and the following turn I spotted some infantry moving. Again, coincidence? Could be, but I'm convinced that cover arcs do lessen the probability of spotting outside the arc and increases the probability of spotting within the arc. If I were coding the command, that is surely how I would do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I remember that this question came up during beta testing and the answer was: better spotting inside the arc, worse out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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