GRUMLIN Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Evening all. I am plinking away at a pillbox with six AT rifles and they all have 'rare' as the kill chance. Now what does that mean? 5%? 10%? am i wasting ammo? help!! grum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquon Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Having the same problem, I set up a shooting gallery with 8 reg. wooden bunkers and 8 german reg. AT rifles in 415m distance. Hit chance is 30%. In 6 turns of firing, I've got a lot of partial penetrations, some firing slit hits and a few clear penetrations. One bunker of 8 was abandoned (no crew losses) after being fired at 27 times; I did not count the number of hits. No visible effect on the other 7 so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Krausen Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 That sounds pretty rare to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Sounds to me that you are wasting your time and ammo but I remember somebody some time ago that I felt knows what he's talking about said that he always shot anyway even if there was no chance cause some times stuff happens. So fire away I guess but I would maybe make your men a pot of coffee they may be there awhile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrock1957 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hi All Was Playtesting a scenario I wrote with a 75mm Pillbox and I went at it with an ATR about 100m and bang it was gone.. 2 shots... But the next test around it took 4 turns plus a couple rounds of a T26... so I guess you never know.. by the way the ATR was Reg. and the PB was Reg FredRocker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86smopuim Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Originally posted by GRUMLIN: Evening all. I am plinking away at a pillbox with six AT rifles and they all have 'rare' as the kill chance. Now what does that mean? 5%? 10%? am i wasting ammo? Having been on the other side of the spectrum, I'd say you are wasting your time. I have endured 20 odd turns of Master Goodale ceasely plinking at my Wooden Bunkers and Pillbox MGs with ATRs to absolutely no effect. 'Course BadJoke, knife weilding the bastard finn that he is, gun damaged my sole KV the last game we played, so rarely u get lucky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I take "rare" to mean on the order of 1%. That is still useful with ATRs because they have 50-75 ammo. Use as much of it as possible. The obvious reason for many hits being needed is the limited "behind armor effect" of a small caliber, single shot weapon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I've knocked out pillboxes with machinegun fire before. THAT is rare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 Originally posted by JasonC: I take "rare" to mean on the order of 1%. That is still useful with ATRs because they have 50-75 ammo. Use as much of it as possible. The obvious reason for many hits being needed is the limited "behind armor effect" of a small caliber, single shot weapon. 1% or 2% seems right to me. And I also agree that they are still useful because you *can* plink all day...and what else are you going to do with ATRs, anyway? Actually, I tend to think that ATRs are pretty much exactly right in CMBB - they are generally weak, but not so weak that you can stand around unconcerned as round after round bounces off of your light armor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerxes Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 ATRs are one of the safest ways to kill gun pillboxes. Just takes a lot of rounds on average. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hensworth Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 Something is better than nothing. ATRs sure beat trying to cover 300m of open ground to get within grenade range. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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