reinald@berlin.com Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: heehee, now the German is barking orders at us! Achtung! (clicks heels) Jawohl, zum befehl! We will get right on that! Uh, now that's lame even for your standards. BTW, just to inform you, I am not German, I'm just from a German-language country. No need to dig up national prejudice. And sure, you're doing all this GD stuff because, well, they had cool uniforms. Oh yea, cool uniforms is why we should celebrate Nazi shock troops. Not Nazi admiration, no no. It is cool uniforms. As said, I don't give a f@ck if your mate matt bans me from his trailer park home by dialup. I can't stand all this borderlining Nazism anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reinald@berlin.com Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Oh, and the Iron Cross you keep talking about, guys, is really a Maltese Cross. Wake up! Eichenhitler has already admitted that it is a Swastika. Comma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by SixthArmy: Funny how ppl decorate all their **** w/ swastikas. There's no reason for it. You are obviously not a scholar of history. Many of us here, are. Admin you are an ass. Quoted for posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Now, I realize that Coventry is a feature of the MBT, but in this case I urge you all to familiarize yourself with the term and apply it with gusto to the troll. Trolls feed off the heat, and there's no point in getting all riled up because some people can't find better hobbies than being a troll. /SirReal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by reinald@berlin.com: And sure, you're doing all this GD stuff because, well, they had cool uniforms. Oh yea, cool uniforms is why we should celebrate Nazi shock troops. Not Nazi admiration, no no. It is cool uniforms. As said, I don't give a f@ck if your mate matt bans me from his trailer park home by dialup. I can't stand all this borderlining Nazism anyhow. GD wore exactly the same uniforms as the rest of the German Army, actually. They were noted for a good combat record, and were officially cleared of implication in war atrocities...beyond the normal atrocity of killing Russian teenagers and young men because they happened to be in the enemy's armed forces, that is. You need to grow up and start to distinguish political action from playing a game or starting a website. eichenbaum has nothing to be ashamed of, especially not the fuzzy picture on his site that I wouldn't have even considered a swastika til you pointed it out and enlarged it - and even then, you have to squint. You can pretend not to stand us, but you really exhibit no capacity for historical understanding, and as such, you are as dangerous as the idiots who go on ebay and cry when vintage uniforms are sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball_E8 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 well Reinald... i am a kommunist... and an active member of the party in sweden to boot... does that make me a bad person? should i report to the nearest "political correctness" station? maby i should be put in a camp and work for nothing until you figure out what to do with me? well i have to tell you this: i have no love for the nazis, but you are barking up the wrong tree pal! there are no nazis here... ok maby there are some guys with an (to the rest of the world) abnormal ammount of interest in the german war machine during world war two... but then again i have heard people being accused of being nazis just for having an interest in war at all... there is no way you should accuse anyone of being a nazi unless they start shouting Heil Hitler or parading down main street with a large flag adorned with a swastika... these people just want to make accurate mods for an accurate game... thats all... if you cant take that then DONT DOWNLOAD THE MODS! :eek: <-- and look! im toting a hammer and scikle here!! BAN ME BAN ME BAN ME! [ August 17, 2003, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: Oddball_E8 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Harrison Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 One wonders how to dipict history and NOT use the symbols of that history in the graphic presentation of it????? Perhaps every game maker should consult the Zealots Vs History Association to get the "acceptable method". BTW Rien you and Adolp both hated homo's (hmmm maybe a budding neo-nazi at heart???) [ August 17, 2003, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: Jim Harrison ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jev.Dk Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by reinald@berlin.com: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Oh, and the Iron Cross you keep talking about, guys, is really a Maltese Cross. Wake up! Eichenhitler has already admitted that it is a Swastika. Comma. </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinald Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Oddball_E8: well Reinald... i am a kommunist... and an active member of the party in sweden to boot... does that make me a bad person? Yes. I can't tell you how much I despise you and your comrades. Communists killed millions of innocent ppl, moron, get it or not. And Communism has been tried in so many fashions (Russian style, Chinese style, Cambodian ...) and failed each and every time amidst unspeakable horrors for the citizenship that even the dumb kid you are should have gotten that it is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball_E8 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 and yet capitalism kills thousands of people every day by letting them starv todeath? name one political system that hasent caused deaths... and besides... thats not the point... i happen to think the idea of equal capital is good... alot of what communism has to offer is quite humanitarian actually... but you have no clue what communism is about do you? have you even read what marx wrote? im sure you havent... dont voice your oppinion on that wich you dont know... and yes it was a horrible thing those so-called communist states that have existed... so far there havent been a real communist state, they have all been dictatorships in the guise of communism... true communism calls for a strong leader to take control and set up the communist state, but after that is done he is to resign to elected leaders. something that hasnt happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinald Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: GD wore exactly the same uniforms as the rest of the German Army, actually. They were noted for a good combat record, and were officially cleared of implication in war atrocities...Thx, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't seperate admiration for elite Wehrmacht troops from Nazi-admiration. The Wehrmacht was a branch of the Nazi state, that was the sad state of affairs. Especially Heer and Luftwaffe troops helped in genocide. The Heer implemented Hitler's policy to starve millions of Russian civilians. And on the heels of those neat elite forces followed the Einsatzgruppen. You know what these Einsatzgruppenwere were there for, Mr. scholar of history? And did you know that every higher-level commander in the German army knew what they were doing? And did youknow that the same military commanders called the Einsatzgruppen into their AOR to make it 'judenfrei' (clean of jews) as a regular procedure? The GD furthermore was a 1st rate Nazi propaganda stunt, as a scholar of history should know. And now go on telling me that this all has nothing to do with Nazism ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 So reinald@berlin.de did you just move from Vienna or are you afraid all us Nazis will come looking for you? I have noticed that it is the people who lash out blindly at everyone else who don't want anyone to know anything about them. Hiding something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball_E8 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 well im off to bed... its three am here... but by all means, keep throwing that **** aroun, im sure its bound to hit the fan at some point... oh and madmatt? please dont ban this guy... despite everything he shoud be allowed to express his oppinions... as long as he stops calling individuals nazis and stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinald Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Oddball_E8: ... but you have no clue what communism is about do you? have you even read what marx wrote? im sure you havent... dont voice your oppinion on that wich you dont know... I graduated from college with honors as an MA in history and political science. If I tell you Communism is genocidal it is as good as if Marx himself said it. I read Marx. And all those neat anti-semite extinctionist passages in his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball_E8 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Reinald: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: GD wore exactly the same uniforms as the rest of the German Army, actually. They were noted for a good combat record, and were officially cleared of implication in war atrocities...Thx, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't seperate admiration for elite Wehrmacht troops from Nazi-admiration. The Wehrmacht was a branch of the Nazi state, that was the sad state of affairs. Especially Heer and Luftwaffe troops helped in genocide. The Heer implemented Hitler's policy to starve millions of Russian civilians. And on the heels of those neat elite forces followed the Einsatzgruppen. You know what these Einsatzgruppenwere were there for, Mr. scholar of history? And did you know that every higher-level commander in the German army knew what they were doing? And did youknow that the same military commanders called the Einsatzgruppen into their AOR to make it 'judenfrei' (clean of jews) as a regular procedure? The GD furthermore was a 1st rate Nazi propaganda stunt, as a scholar of history should know. And now go on telling me that this all has nothing to do with Nazism ... </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinald Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by sgtgoody (esq): So reinald@berlin.de did you just move from Vienna or are you afraid all us Nazis will come looking for you? I have noticed that it is the people who lash out blindly at everyone else who don't want anyone to know anything about them. Hiding something? Nah, just want to spare myself from the child-pornography spam I receive thanks to the Nazis I spank regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixthArmy Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 You are obviously not a scholar of history. Many of us here, are. Guess they had bright red nazi flags all over every single shutzenpanzer right? And it would be inaccurate to mod one any other way. bull****. Its clear ppl are just glamorizing nazi crap. Have fun w/ your swastikas I think I'll go find something else to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Reinald: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: GD wore exactly the same uniforms as the rest of the German Army, actually. They were noted for a good combat record, and were officially cleared of implication in war atrocities...Thx, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't seperate admiration for elite Wehrmacht troops from Nazi-admiration. The Wehrmacht was a branch of the Nazi state, that was the sad state of affairs. Especially Heer and Luftwaffe troops helped in genocide. The Heer implemented Hitler's policy to starve millions of Russian civilians. And on the heels of those neat elite forces followed the Einsatzgruppen. You know what these Einsatzgruppenwere were there for, Mr. scholar of history? And did you know that every higher-level commander in the German army knew what they were doing? And did youknow that the same military commanders called the Einsatzgruppen into their AOR to make it 'judenfrei' (clean of jews) as a regular procedure? The GD furthermore was a 1st rate Nazi propaganda stunt, as a scholar of history should know. And now go on telling me that this all has nothing to do with Nazism ... </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by SixthArmy: Its clear ppl are just glamorizing nazi crap. Have fun w/ your swastikas I think I'll go find something else to play. Do you really mean it this time? Is this good-bye? I would really hate to miss any more of your enlightening posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinald Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Oddball_E8: Ummm... just need to say this first... American soldiers slaughtered innocent vietnamese men, wimen and children during the vietnam war... Yes, may be. But those were unrelated incidents. And warcriminals were punished. The German extinctionist policy was offical, enforced and supported by most men in uniform. And you're not seriously telling me the conduct of the US in Vietnam is comparable to that of the Nazis in Eastern Europe, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by SixthArmy: You are obviously not a scholar of history. Many of us here, are. Guess they had bright red nazi flags all over every single shutzenpanzer right? And it would be inaccurate to mod one any other way. bull****. Its clear ppl are just glamorizing nazi crap. Have fun w/ your swastikas I think I'll go find something else to play. Did anyone ever claim that other mods were unacceptable? You get weirder by the minute. Have a glass of milk and settle down, now. You're the one that bought the game featuring the virtuous Nazis killing the virtuous Stalinite hordes, not me. Why regret it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightblade Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Oh, and what Stalin and the Soviet forces did was all OK, yes? Just like killing several thousand Polish officers and blaming the Germans for it after the war, although it was the Germans who discovered this atrocity. Almost every country has some very dark spots in its history, but almost everyone seems only to think of Germany in that fatal twelve years when it´s about atrocities. Admittedly, the annihilation of people was industrialized in the KZs, but that doesn´t help the millions of people who died in Siberia by Stalin´s orders. Most people seem to forget or ignore that. But then, the Soviet Union didn´t lose the war, Germany did. And the victor writes history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 For reference, German courts actually ruled that Swastikas on models are not allowed, except in situations like public museums. But airplane kits are not allowed to have them. This is to prevent people inside German from building collections of Nazi symbolism. But for an international community I see no problem painting the models (3D or plastic) exactly the way they look in the real-world photos. [ August 17, 2003, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: redwolf ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UberFunBunny Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 MD: Any chance you could send me a turn?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Reinald: The German extinctionist policy was offical, enforced and supported by most men in uniform. You've yet to provide proof of that. Bartov doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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