Jaws Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 The PZ IV-J is still my favourite as it was in CMBO and I hope it will be in CMAK also. The reason of this post is that there still is no mod for this tank and that strange because in CMBO there were lot's of them. Am I the only one who is still fighting with the PZ IV-J?? And if so, why lost this vehicle its popularity?? Are there other vehicles I’ve completely missed with the same capabilities and the same production numbers as the PZ IV-J? [ April 30, 2003, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: Jaws ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeT Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 IN Africa, the IVF was the most advanced model, if memory serves. It was called the special. MikeT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Originally posted by MikeT: IN Africa, the IVF was the most advanced model, if memory serves. It was called the special. MikeT Aye, I think there wasn't any long-barreled pzIV models in Africa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Did some checking, IVF2s and even some Gs, in Tunisia towards the end, did make to Africa. There was even a very few Tiger 1s deployed there. MikeT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrow Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 27 Pz IVf2´s first operation was at the end august 42 in Ala Halfa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 BUT, remember we've also got Italy to contend with! So I'll be mighty surprised if the J model isn't in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Originally posted by MikeT: There was even a very few Tiger 1s deployed there. MikeT Certainly, I have a few pictures of Tigers in North Africa... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: BUT, remember we've also got Italy to contend with! So I'll be mighty surprised if the J model isn't in the game. The North African aspect of CMAK does not excite nearly as much as the Italain Campaign. I have never had much interest in the African campaign, though I must say I am very interested to see how it plays out in CM. But Italy... man, thats going to be great... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_the_wino Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Ah, Italy. Can you say Anzio? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Am I the only one who is still fighting with the PZ IV-J?? And if so, why lost this vehicle its popularity?? I think you can blame the lack of interest in the Late model PZIV's on the abundence of T-34/85s by the time they come into service. The weak front armor combined with the high velocity 85mm gun ends up getting the PZIV "pwned" many times. Not to mention the 75mm long barrel has trouble dealing with hull down T-34/85s and lets not even get into what happens when the JS-2s show up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 PzIVJ mod, okay will do, no problem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moore Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by Jaws: The PZ IV-J is still my favourite as it was in CMBO and I hope it will be in CMAK also. The reason of this post is that there still is no mod for this tank and that strange because in CMBO there were lot's of them. Am I the only one who is still fighting with the PZ IV-J?? And if so, why lost this vehicle its popularity?? Are there other vehicles I’ve completely missed with the same capabilities and the same production numbers as the PZ IV-J? IIRC, someone stated in the forum that the J version was the dominant version in terms of production numbers. I just did a quick look at Achtung Panzer site...they state the following (If i read them correctly the 8600 number does not includes the Panzer IV variants such as Wirbelwind, Jagdpanzer IV, etc.): "From October of 1937 to May of 1945, approximately 8600 Panzerkampfwagen IV tanks (armed with long and short barrel guns) were produced (10 different variants). [Panzer IVJ]production did not cease until March 1945 with 2970 produced solely by Nibelungenwerke and in small number by Vomag." I don't play many QB purchase battles but I assume the J should be pretty cheap at the end of the war. [ April 30, 2003, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Moore ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by tracer: PzIVJ mod, okay will do, no problem Thanks Tracer.. for your effort in advance. [ May 01, 2003, 05:43 AM: Message edited by: Jaws ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SgtMuhammed Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 I like using PIVs not just because of their cost but because they make me be a better tanker. It is too easy to just bull rush with the big cats and not really use good tactics. Speaking of the Tigger (and tiggers are wonderful things), NA was the official combat debut IIRC. They had been used in the East but as prototypes and in small numbers. I wonder if AK will cover the Anvil operation in Southern France. In that case this game should have the largest stable of AFVs of them all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 Great research Patrick Moor, this was one reason for me to fight with this tank but I never had the exact numbers. I agree with you sgtgoody it is easy to drive in a king tiger and battle against T34/85 but for me that's no challenge. Were there tank battles in Anvil :confused: I think you are right Nippy that's probably one of the reasons people do not pick the PZIV-J. [ May 01, 2003, 06:01 AM: Message edited by: Jaws ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by MikeT: IN Africa, the IVF was the most advanced model, if memory serves. It was called the special. MikeT I think Pz III J up-armoured model was called Special in North Africa. It was very tough for Brit 2 pounders to crack during that time, and packed a punch with 50L60 cannon. Cheers, M.S. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by Jaws: Am I the only one who is still fighting with the PZ IV-J?? And if so, why lost this vehicle its popularity?? Are there other vehicles I’ve completely missed with the same capabilities and the same production numbers as the PZ IV-J? Personally I tend to prefer the model "H", perhaps because it was the most numerous Pz IV model (I thought until I found out that Chamberlain & Doyle might actually have the wrong production numbers for model H and J in Encyclopedia of German tanks of WWII) and it doesn’t have that air of late war contingency over it, not sure.. From a pure game standpoint the model "H" is, arguably, a better buy by virtue of it's "fast" turret (as opposed to the turret motorless "J"). You get a Nahverteidigungswaffe and a few millimetres of roof armour, but it is still a poor exchange, unless your hobby is driving very close to infantry As for other big players you have, in no particular order, the Hetzer, the Panther, StuG IIIG, all being produced in well over 2000 units each. the StuG IIIG in the lead with almost 8000 produced. M. [ May 01, 2003, 06:32 AM: Message edited by: Mattias ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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