TommyT Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I'm not sure if this issue is an error or an "undocumented" feature. In one of my recent games as Axis against the AI, I let my Italians take Norway & Sweden. Much to my surprise Both Germany & Italy gets Swedish & Norwegian MPPs. Germany through the convoys and Italy through conquest. A Bug? (Version 1.02) [ July 03, 2006, 03:07 AM: Message edited by: TommyT ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Tommy, thanks for the report and yes this would be a bug... I'll look into this for the next patch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John DiFool the 2nd Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 While we're at it Hubert shouldn't certain minors belong to Italy, while others belong to Germany? The political map says "Axis 100%", but even if Italy converts Iraq to the Axis side via diplomacy Germany gets the Iraq MPPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 TommyT, just an FYI that this has been fixed for the next patch. John DiFool the 2nd, while it could be seen that if Italy converted Iraq that they should then be under Italian control but this is just how the current system works, i.e. the Axis parent remains the same regardless of whose diplomatic activity brought them over the top. I guess it could be considered that Italy just helped push Iraq over the top to join the Axis cause but their main allegiance is still with Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Dozer Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 well how about in diplo you chose what side the country should join? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellraiser Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Terif captured Sweden with the italians in one of our games, expressely to get the cash from ressources with Italy and convoy mpp for Germany - so it is confirmed in multiplayer as well. Didn't know it was considered a bug though ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 At the moment only the cash for Italy makes it worth a consideration to battle for Skandinavia as Axis - with advantages (cash for Italy) and disadvantages ( US/russian readiness increase, amphib costs). If this will change now in 1.05 and Axis will get no mpps any more from Skandinava (since every good allied player will bomb Kiel port out of order..), there should be a new incentive for a campaign in the north and be it another german port (Königsberg) for (part of) the convois. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I might not understand correctly here but I believe the bug was that both Germany and Italy received MPP from capturing Norway... now the only change for v1.05 is that if Italy captures Norway it would still only be Germany that would be the benefactor as they are the only Axis major with the convoy relationship. Essentially it is not that the Axis do not gain or lose MPP, rather that the MPP relationship via convoy is maintained as was originally intended, i.e. regardless of who forced the surrender of Norway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Theoretically Germany gets the mpps from Skandinavia. But it only gets them when the convoi to Kiel is active. And every good allied player is bombing Kiel out of order in every game (standard procedure ). So effectively Germany gets no mpps from Skandinavia, no matter if it is neutral, conquered or liberated by Axis. But since in 1.04 Italy still gets mpps at least from Sweden (Norway is usually conquered by England), Axis have an incentive to do a scandinavian campaign and battle with Allies in Sweden and Norway - which is at the moment the most interesting campaign in the mid game between France and Barbarossa. If now this incentive will be removed and no new one implemented, then most likely this northern territory will become again neglected with England simply holding Norway and Sweden remaining neutral - and an interesting option will be missing . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioWizard Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 A solution could be that the Axis ore shipment from Sweden could go to the Eastern port of Germany if the normal one is bombed out but not the one from Norway (too far from the Eastern one and keeps the Allies reason for bombing the port)! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Yep, and additionally to changing port for Sweden, I would propose to increase the percentage of transported ressources when Sweden gets conquered or liberated by Axis. If they get more mpps than when it´s neutral (like it is now with Italy getting 100%), there is an incentive. E.g. increase it from 60% while it is neutral to 90% or 100% when it is conquered/liberated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Ranger Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Allow a land route through Finland would seam the wise thing to do if the port is bombed out and Axis control the hex's around the baltic to Berlin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin P. Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Terif, I agree that the MPP from Sweden should increase if its conquered. Then the player has to make a choice - is conquering Sweden to get the extra MPP worth the diplomatic effects of such an action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders S Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I noticed the same thing with Iraq (this was patch 1.03). If USSR captures Iraq they get the MPP from Iraq, but the convoy also starts, providing the same MPP to UK. So eventually both USSR and UK got 48 MPP each from Iraq. What a goldmine! There may be other convoys that have the same issue. What happens if USA conquers Norway? Hubert probably got this covered, but I thought I'd report it to make sure it gets fixed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Hi Anders, this is indeed fixed for the next patch. Hubert 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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