Snall Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 http://www.paradoxplaza.com/hearts.asp Man oooo man that looks gooood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 It uses "Real Time" game play. Does that mean it will take 5+ years to complete each game? But it's "pausable" so it will take even longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batavian Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 It seems to be based on the Europa Universalis game engine. The games do last very long. They offer scaled time, meaning you can speed up or slow down the rate of time in the game. You can also pause the game. The game does look to be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 I know a certain regular forum poster will be pleased with this shot of Finland. [ November 14, 2002, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: aaronb ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krautmeister Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 Agree that HOI looks really cool, if perhaps an extraordinary drain on available gaming time. More importantly for me, I saw a thread on their message board about "What to play while waiting on HOI" which recommened SC. I wonder how many copies of SC that particular thread sold? I haven't come up for air for a while (SC isn't perfect, but it is the best WWII strategy game that I've seen on a computer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 an extraordinary drain on available gaming time Like a Black Hole! :eek: Hopefully HOI will have some manageable scenarios to allow players to focus on particular aspects of WWII. I can't imagine how long it may take to play an entire campaign game solo from the pre-war maneuvering in Europe and early Japanese battles in China through the bitter end with Russians assaulting Berlin and Americans bombing Tokyo. I am curious to play parts of the game, yet cautious with regard to how much time it will consume. SC can be played in a weekend or at least within a few weeks, and this ensures replayability and an opportunity to learn how to play the game well, either solo or against other players. There's a LOT of value to that. Isn't that why most of us play wargames? There's something to be said for simplicity. HOI will be a different experience, an opportunity for deeper and prolonged study of WWII. Hopefully the ministers system will work well and allow the game to proceed 'normally'(?) with minimal player input, unless and until we choose to micromanage some issue. That will be cool. If we have to micromanage too many details just to keep the game moving, that will get tedious after a while and detract from the fun, not to mention taking forever to accomplish. Then again, some folks look forward to that kind of thing. [i also play RGW with 1-week turns, 10-mile hexes, and division/brigade-size units on the eastern front. Let me tell ya, it takes a while to play a full front scenario!] HOI and SC should complement each other, not compete with each other. There is definitely a niche for a WWII grand strategy game like SC that is not only playable, but replayable over and over again within a reasonable time frame. And with a little more realism and historical accuracy added to the game, SC2 should be excellent. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 Originally posted by wadepm: It uses "Real Time" game play. Does that mean it will take 5+ years to complete each game? But it's "pausable" so it will take even longer!Well, it is using the Europa Universalis game engine, and Europa Universalis II lasts from 1419 to 1820. Game reviewers keep complaining that the game takes 400+ years to complete. Otherwise it's good though. ~Norse~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Wiking] Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 I for one can't wait! Does the real time play mean my grandchildren will be loading their gramps' saved games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 Take a look at the wargamer.com review of HoI. I have been keeping up with this game and the quite active forum for a year. Its due the 20th at EB and will probably be a great addition to this genre, but still can't wait for SC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Billote Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 I convinced at least two people over there( at paradox) to buy the game SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollyguy Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 I think I'll play Hearts in Iron...in about 25 years when I'm retired and can devote hundreds of hours to resolve one game! I mean, c'mon, the thing is on a worldwide scale, down to the province level!! Who has that much time! The beauty of SC is its countless potential outcomes masked behind an extremely easy to play game system. True, SC could use a few more tweaks, but I would still rate is as the best strategic scale wargame I've ever played. I believe the changes we'll see in the 1.06 SC patch will offer additional improvement, and rein in the the tendency for runaway Axis research. My guess, after 1.06 is released, the poster who claims he'll never lose as the Axis will have to eat his words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by aaronb: I know a certain regular forum poster will be pleased with this shot of Finland.assuming that you are referring to me, thanks, i saw a screen shot of finland but without the units. Btw, chech the HoI forum 'C. V. Mannerheim' has a presence there as well CvM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Wagner Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by Jollyguy: I think I'll play Hearts in Iron...in about 25 years when I'm retired and can devote hundreds of hours to resolve one game! I mean, c'mon, the thing is on a worldwide scale, down to the province level!! Who has that much time! The beauty of SC is its countless potential outcomes masked behind an extremely easy to play game system. True, SC could use a few more tweaks, but I would still rate is as the best strategic scale wargame I've ever played. I believe the changes we'll see in the 1.06 SC patch will offer additional improvement, and rein in the the tendency for runaway Axis research. My guess, after 1.06 is released, the poster who claims he'll never lose as the Axis will have to eat his words.If it plays like EU, you will only be playing one country so it is not as daunting as it sounds. For example, as Germany, you may form alliances with Italy and Japan but that does not mean you need to flit all over the map managing these countries as well as your own. They will go about their AI business as you go about yours, offering assistance when there is common need. At least, I hope this is how the game will be. If I in fact have to manage all the countries I have formed alliances with, then I may take a pass on the game. As far as the time scale, EU covers centuries and it really does not take that long to play a scenario out. You pause the game, issue all your orders, then let the game speed ahead as you watch your orders play out. There are various speeds you can choose from which can allow you to watch events unfold at a crawling or quicksilver pace. Even though it is in real time, there is an ability to manage all your orders in pause mode, before you execute them, similar to Combat Mission, though you do have the ability to make changes while the time is running. [ November 14, 2002, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: J Wagner ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhu Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 It seems to me that SC and HOI complement each other very well: there's absolutely no reason why the success of one should harm the other. After all, most people interested in WW2 strategic gaming are going to find something for them in both games. I also came to SC via an earlier recommendation on the HOI forum, and have been enjoying the game greatly since and recommending it in turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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