Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Er, psssst...smbutler... Theyr're not Wehrmacht..., they're Luftwaffe. BTW, why the specific interest in killing axis soldiers? I'm just asking you know. ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. [This message has been edited by Juju (edited 05-23-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Er, psssst...smbutler... Theyr're not Wehrmacht..., they're Luftwaffe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hate to break it to you... the Luftwaffe is part of the Wehrmacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 I thought the Luftwaffe was one of the three branches in 'Das Deutsche Heer,' namely, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine?? ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 almost... Heer = army Kreigsmarine = navy Lufwaffe = airforce SchutzStaffel = SS Whermacht = Armed Forces ------------------ Ubique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juju: I thought the Luftwaffe was one of the three branches in 'Das Deutsche Heer,' namely, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Everything living close to, on or in the dirt is the Heer (a former Air Force soldier speaking). The Wehrmacht was the institution incorporating Heer, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine, AFAIK. ------------------ Andreas It is amazing what you can learn from a good book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 JonS! That can't be all right IMHO. The SS surely is NOT a branch of the Wehrmacht. ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 The SS as a whole... no the Waffen-SS... yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Juju - IIRC you're right about the SS not being part of the Whermacht. I included them as a kind of joke - hence the smily Jon ------------------ Ubique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Geez, guys! gimme some time! Can't get my research done this way. I'm almost on it... I think. ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Berlichtingen: The SS as a whole... no the Waffen-SS... yes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't think that's correct... Don't ask me to prove it though. ------------------ Andreas It is amazing what you can learn from a good book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Got it! give me a mo' be back in a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager 7 Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 You guys are hard up for entertainment...I hope the game ships soon. However, since you got me interested here is some information for your vast files. There were in actuality five classes of the Knights Cross. 1. Knights Cross 2. w/Oakleaves 3. w/Oakleaves & Swords 4. w/Oakleaves, Swords and diamonds (of which there were no less than 27 awards) 5. w/GOLD Oakleaves, swords and diamonds. (Presented to Oberst Rudel on 1 Jan 45.) There were possibly as many as six of this medal struck..all for Rudel. He retained one at wars end. Another ended up in the pocket of an American GI. Another one found its way into the hands of a British officer and the others, if they existed, have never surfaced. Just thought you might be interested. Ref: For Fuhrer and Fatherland by John R. Angolia 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager 7 Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 PS...There was no stipulation that the KC had to be awarded by Hitler personally. In the early years he signed the award document as time permitted, or a fascimile. Hitler did personally present the KC with Oakleaves, Swords and diamonds. ------------------ When the situation is obscure....attack! CGen. Heinz Guderian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Quote (Gordon Williamson) ------------------------ ...Hitler was forced in 1938 to clarify the situation, writing that in time of 'national emergency' the SS-VT (verfugungstruppe, from may 1940 known as Waffen SS) would be used for two purposes: 'By the Commander-in-chief of the Army within the framework of the army. It will then be subject exclusively to military law and instructions; Politically however, IT WILL REMAIN A BRANCH OF THE NSDAP';adding, 'at home, in accordance eith my instructions, IT WILL BE UNDER THE ORDERS OF THE REICHSFUEHREr SS'. ----------------------------- Phew, anyway, Berli, I guess we're both a bit right. ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorak Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 so.... have we answered whats odd about this picture yet? Lorak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Nope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 von Lucke, the masses are getting restless... we may have to storm your abode if we don't get an answer soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 DAM, and he didn't even leave his email adress. That's it! I'm going to sleep! Yawn... ------------------ Combat Axiom #6. Incoming fire has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwin Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Nice Juju, 20 minutes or so to find that piece? well done Isn't this stuff just amazing. From the prewar Freikorps (sic) and political situation to their manufacturing and enginering, military personalities, propaganda and command structure etc Germany just blows me away. Not that the Allies don't have good stories too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 I wonder how many of them survived the war to see their families again. DjB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 So what is the correct answer? Von Lucke posed the question as if to know the answer but I haven't heard from him since. -Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frankrad Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 The "odd" thing about this picture is that they are not wetting their pants in some Russian POW camp, or getting slaughtered by hardy, ordinary US citizen soldiers. "Germans were the Best Troops" my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted May 24, 2000 Share Posted May 24, 2000 Hey, let's knock off the partisan crap. This BBS is not the place for nationalistic history grudge matches, but rather historical discussion as related to CM. Anybody who rather use it as a sounding board for other things can kindly do it elsewhere. As an American with a degree in History, I can think of plenty of things this country has done that has put us, rightly so, on the **** lists of millions of people (the ones we didn't kill that is). And I know I don't take kindly to people talking about my country and fellow country men in such broad ways, even if some of them have comitted horrible atrocities upon others. And if you can't think of at least two or three good examples of the US causing unjustified and unlawful misery, suffering, and mass death upon the peoples of other nations then you don't know your US history very well. Although I am proud to be an American, there are many things we have done as a nation that can only be looked upon with great shame and disgust. Steve P.S. I am closing this up in the hopes that it ends here. Well, except for von Lucke coming back and telling us what we were supposed to notice My bet is that it was the obvious we hit upon right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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