Cuchulainn Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 CNN Story: U.S. Army to wear black berets October 17, 2000 WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A black beret will become the standard headgear of the U.S. Army starting next year, replacing traditional green hats, the Army chief of staff announced Tuesday. Gen. Eric Shinseki said the new headgear, to be introduced in June next year, would be a symbol of the Army's transformation into a new, lighter, more nimble force for the 21st century. "It will be a symbol of unity, a symbol of Army excellence, a symbol of our values," he told the annual convention of the Association of the United States Army, a professional support group. Shinseki said special operations and airborne units would retain their own distinctive berets, green for special forces and maroon for paratroopers. U.S. Army rangers, trained to operate behind enemy lines, adopted the black beret in the 1980s. Currently the standard government issue is an Army-green cap which folds flat and is dubbed an "envelope" cap by troops. ------------------ I said ... Put the bunny down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Offwhite Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Wonder how the Rangers feel about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Offwhite: Wonder how the Rangers feel about that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What would they care? Black berets were/are Delta Force. Looooonnnggg time ago, Scouts wore the black berets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhorse Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Well I'll be damned! I never thought this would happen. FYI, black berets were the headgear for armor forces long before they were the headgear for the Rangers. That all changed for the US Army in the 70's for various reasons. In other armies, the black beret is still traditionally the armor headgear. In any event, the good news is the headgear is back the way it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackhorse: Well I'll be damned! I never thought this would happen. FYI, black berets were the headgear for armor forces long before they were the headgear for the Rangers. That all changed for the US Army in the 70's for various reasons. In other armies, the black beret is still traditionally the armor headgear. In any event, the good news is the headgear is back the way it should be <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Appears to only be Class A wear anyways... "Currently the standard government issue is an Army-green cap which folds flat and is dubbed an "envelope" cap by troops." LOL... "envelope" cap??? LOL! have you ever heard a troop call it that? A "punt", insert a C for P of course, perhaps but not no friggin envelope. Cav ------------------ "Maneuverists have a bad case of what may be called, to borrow from a sister social science, 'Wehrmact penis envy.'"--D. Bolger Co-Chairman of the CM Jihad Brigade "AS far as Steve and BTS (mostly Steve) are concerned, you are either a CM die-hard supporter, or you are dirt. If you question the game, implementation, or data models they used, you are some kind of neo-Nazi wanna-be, and become an open target for CavScout, SlippySlapDragon, and all the other sycophants who hang on Steves every word."-- Jeff Heidman [comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadayne Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 As a civilian raised on Hollywood fare, I'm not sure I like the idea of our guys wearing the black hats. Especially when told that they express our "values". Just a non-soldierly point of view. ------------------ This space for rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Panic Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As a civilian raised on Hollywood fare, I'm not sure I like the idea of our guys wearing the black hats.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> White hats are too easy to shoot at... ------------------ Two Rules to Live By: 1. Never Get Out of the Boat. 2. Charlie Doesn't Surf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 I'll bet some journalist at CNN took a look at one of the old caps, thought "Hey, it folds up like an envelope!", and then started imagining soldiers prancing around, remarking "Gosh, Charles, I am so exquisitely delighted to be casting off those beastly envelope caps!". ------------------ Guderian's anger was monumental. He struggled for words. "To say that the troops are to blame – look at the casualties!" he raged. "Look at the losses! The troops did their duty! Their self-sacrifice proves it!" Hitler yelled back. "They failed!" he raged. "They failed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbaro Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 If you don't look at what the little "envelope" looks like, then I won't tell- - - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Tom Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 I guess they saw how cool our Canadian soldiers look in Berets and decided to join the popular fashion club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 I think the Rangers will be furious at the rest of the Army,I was stationed with many Ranger types and even Airborne soldiers were "slugs" in their view.They were very proud of their distinctive headgear as they were of being Rangers. BTW noone calls garrison caps,envelope caps,the usual term rhymes with bunt. ------------------ Nicht Schiessen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAKER Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Its all part of the New World order military units world wide new look. Quite obvious really how they are slowly changing things. They are slowly removing items on the uniform to make people get used to the non US look. Also the US flags patches were not worn on US units operating in the gulf war. Same goes for a number of aircraft and there colours / markings. Heaps of US aircraft no longer have US AIRFORCE on them. Alot of them are going black too. The markings are being lost so to speak in history. If u dont believe me, thats ok, but watch these things and u will one day see what i mean. Its a bit odd really that one would do this to there airforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAKER Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 What the hell does this mean? "It will be a symbol of unity, a symbol of Army excellence, a symbol of our values," he told the annual convention of the Association of the United States Army, a professional support group". Notice he says Unity. Unity of what? Aha unity of all Armies worldwide i reckon. How does the black cap make it a symbol of US national unity. Unity for all military units? Hmm well how would u feal if u were Delta Force wearing a black cap and then some regualr guy can waer one too. Hmm to me makes the whole army "one" so to speak equal with one another.. that could be what they mean also by unity. Who knows. But just giving u an example to look at where news given can actually have deeper meaning. On the subject of CNN news, at CNN according to CNN themselves there are 7-15 Pyschological Warfare officers who work there, permanently so to speak. Umm what the hell for? Do they restrict what u watch? What are they doing. I know of media being used to control people in the past but to be doing it know would insane really, but i reckon they prob are up to no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 What a silly bunt. This is stupid. "Distinctive" or not, the beret is a worthless piece of headgear. All it does is cook your scalp. Hooah. Why do the Chiefs always do this crap? That Air Force guy froma few years ago made the Air Force adopt Star Trek sleeve ranks on their new "United Airlines Pilot" single breasted suits. Oh, well. When do we get a new chief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Splinty: I think the Rangers will be furious at the rest of the Army,I was stationed with many Ranger types and even Airborne soldiers were "slugs" in their view.They were very proud of their distinctive headgear as they were of being Rangers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> How does a black beret effect them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by STRAKER: Its all part of the New World order military units world wide new look. Quite obvious really how they are slowly changing things. They are slowly removing items on the uniform to make people get used to the non US look. Also the US flags patches were not worn on US units operating in the gulf war. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Dude, we don't wear US Flags on our uniforms in most circumstances. Never have. Wearing the Red, White and Blue is not very tactical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Currently the Ranger units (1-3/75th INF)are the only units autherized to wear the black beret,at least until this change takes effect. ------------------ Nicht Schiessen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Straker's on to the plot - the black beret is really the symbol of the Illuminati. Together with the Gnomes of Zurich and Cthulhu, we've infiltrated the world's armies, and are now bringing them together to rule with an iron fist. Fear the hat!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by General Panic: White hats are too easy to shoot at... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, the Legion Etrangere de Francais would prolly agree with you. You sure they mean everybody? When I was in, the black beret was optional head-gear for female soldiers only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Splinty: I think the Rangers will be furious at the rest of the Army,I was stationed with many Ranger types and even Airborne soldiers were "slugs" in their view.They were very proud of their distinctive headgear as they were of being Rangers. BTW noone calls garrison caps,envelope caps,the usual term rhymes with bunt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Why do we view them as slugs? Most of us came from AB. And a cover doesnt make a Ranger, the Darby Queen does, and the ones that dont make it are fed to Big John. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG-Hammer Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 "I think the Rangers will be furious at the rest of the Army,I was stationed with many Ranger types and even Airborne soldiers were "slugs" in their view." Too a Marine, all army are slugs. AB and Rangers are just better trained slugs. Semper Fi and BTW Marines don't wear berets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 All the pvts and corp. should wear black pants, black shirts (all tight lycra type) with this red trim over the sholders, and this big gold button on their chest, yeah yeah. And the officers should have like..Gold, or Blue, or different colours for the corps! yeah! (anyone else think even a ww2 squad could own any starfleet away team?) PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Well thankfully in the Australian army we have those very distinctive slouch hats which I personally think look great. They stand out, can provide a bit of shade (if only to one side of the face) and any soldier wearing them is instantly recognised as being an Aussie & not some homogenous could be any countries soldiers (if wearing a black beret). Of course I'm not biased or anything! Regards Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzvg Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 Actually, the JCS borrowed Goebbels to teach the military how to intimidate, since we are rapidly approaching the point where we have an army that can't fight, and wouldn't if we could. I don't care, give em black berets, blue berets, beanie caps with propellers, do they know how to use their weapons? and will they? (Pzvg is nervous about the direction America has taken,read your history on the Roman Empire to know why) ------------------ Pzvg "Confucious say, it is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 18, 2000 Share Posted October 18, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann: Well thankfully in the Australian army we have those very distinctive slouch hats which I personally think look great. They stand out, can provide a bit of shade (if only to one side of the face) and any soldier wearing them is instantly recognised as being an Aussie & not some homogenous could be any countries soldiers (if wearing a black beret). Of course I'm not biased or anything! Regards Jim R.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I have the cutest postcard with a kangaroo wearing one of those darling little hats!!! He's drinking a Fosters and saying "G'day, mate!" It's adorable! ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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