David Aitken Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Well, first we hear the Besa has been 'abstracted'... (A Couple Of Questions On Vehicle Mounted MGs) And now it turns out the Bren Carrier... isn't! Here's a Bren: And here's a Bren Carrier: It's not a Bren, so what is it? Here's a Japanese Type 96: Or even better, a Type 99 (notice the straighter carry handle): It's a Type 99 Carrier! Maybe this means BTS are eager to do CM: Beyond Midway after all! (beyond mid-way... joke... oh never mind) Actually, it looks more like Steve was a bit too full of the festive spirit (or the festive spirits, such as brandy) when he did the model (Update on model progress). I demand an explanation!! David ------------------ They lost all of their equipment and had to swim in under machine gun fire. As they struggled in the water, Gardner heard somebody say, "Perhaps we're intruding, this seems to be a private beach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntelWeenie Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 , , and then . Oh, and a , too! Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do! ------------------ Canada: Where men were men, unless they were horses. -Dudley Do-right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>It's a Type 99 Carrier! Maybe this means BTS are eager to do CM: Beyond Midway after all!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good eye. This is excellent news for those of us anxiously awaiting a PTO/CBI version ------------------ -Bullethead Visit the brand new Raider Operations message board at www.delphi.com/raiderops Main site www.historicalgames.bizland.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardb Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 That's why you never should mess around with a grognard. God it's easy making games for you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Wowza, exellent observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Is it so important ? ------------------ Venez visiter Appui-Feu,le site en français consacré à Combat Mission !!! http://appui-feu.panzershark.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 15, 2000 Author Share Posted September 15, 2000 Xavier wrote: > Is it so important ? Party pooper!! Notice I didn't insist BTS model the Bren properly, I just thought I'd point out the error. David ------------------ They lost all of their equipment and had to swim in under machine gun fire. As they struggled in the water, Gardner heard somebody say, "Perhaps we're intruding, this seems to be a private beach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 excellent catch Mr Aitken. on a side note, the Type 96 and Type 99 (I hope it's at least a 99, the 96 was some serious POS!*g*) are probably the only machine guns that would fix a bayonet, who else but the japanese would think of that *g*, and what a monster king-sized bayonet at that! Xavier: it might not be important to you if you're not into small arms. if you were, it would like, uhm, having an M48 pose for a Pershing, or a Somua S35 for a Panther or a Churchill for a Königstiger, or something to that effect. Surely even you would object to that, even though it's "just a graphical representation" that would not harm the game engine. Otherwise, if you still don't agree, well, have you seen Sudden Strike? Red Alert? If I were of your attitude, I would make sure to check those out. I'm sure you'ld like em. ------------------ "Hehe nah u have some valid points mate but umm well be a bit nicer." (GAZ_NZ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Nice post David M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Yes, I am with Bullethead. This must mean that BTS will be coming out with CM5 - The Rising Sun!!! I can hardly wait - Banzai Charges, Tank Hunter heroes with Demos strapped to their bodies, and Leaders wielding Samauri Swords instead of just pointing the way. We would also have to introduce the Rice Paddy terrain tile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Galanti Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Well, the real machinegun question is why is the M1917 displayed as a Vickers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 16, 2000 Author Share Posted September 16, 2000 Ben Galanti wrote: > why is the M1917 displayed as a Vickers... At least they got the side right. David ------------------ They lost all of their equipment and had to swim in under machine gun fire. As they struggled in the water, Gardner heard somebody say, "Perhaps we're intruding, this seems to be a private beach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanaka Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Hi... In SL or ASL an M1917 was an M1917 or was a piece of card ... HEHEHE... I will be flamed for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Hehe... whoops Er... we were a bit rushed towards the end I guess. However, in my defense I must point out that it took how many months for this to be spotted? At least it was spotted by a Brit Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Time Software: ...I must point out that it took how many months for this to be spotted? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Nice, Steve. Got any other Easter eggs lying around for the grogs? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 Ben, the Vickers Mk1 (standard heavy MG for the Commonwealth forces) was in fact nothing more than a spruced up Maxim. Hence why it looks like one The pic I used for it was in fact a Vickers Mk1. I just figured out where I messed up on the Bren. I converted a Type 99 to look more like a Bren, since I didn't have a Bren shot worth using. However... when I looked at a picture of a Bren to see how I should modify it I made the mistake of looking at a Vickers Mk3 LMG instead, which sorta looks like a cross between the two. So what you see is more like a cross between a Vickers Mk3 and a Type 99. Ooops! Like I said, we were kinda rushed towards the end there... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Like I said, we were kinda rushed towards the end there...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm sure there are many folks within reach here both willing and able to make more 3D models for you. Like the hull for the M36B1, or an actual 90mm AA gun instead of the scaled-up 40mm? Or maybe the flat-faced, wavy-topped gunshield for the 6pdr and 57mm? So why not let some of these folks make some models for you? ------------------ -Bullethead Visit the brand new Raider Operations message board at www.delphi.com/raiderops Main site www.historicalgames.bizland.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M Hofbauer: excellent catch Mr Aitken. on a side note, the Type 96 and Type 99 (I hope it's at least a 99, the 96 was some serious POS!*g*) are probably the only machine guns that would fix a bayonet, who else but the japanese would think of that *g*, and what a monster king-sized bayonet at that!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> In Japan even handgrenades came with bayonets, but FG42 LMG had a bayonet mount as well so they were not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 "In Japan even handgrenades came with bayonets," LOL "but FG42 LMG had a bayonet mount as well so they were not alone." hmm I disagree...not comparable...the FG42 was more of a universal, general-purpose para rifle that would fill the roles taken up by sniper rifles, semiautomatic rifle, full automatic assault weapons / submachine guns, and light machine gun, all in one (or perhaps I should rephrase it into "was supposed to"). therefore, it makes sense to fit it with a bayonet. The type 96 and 99 were dedicated machine guns, usually crew served. ------------------ "Hehe nah u have some valid points mate but umm well be a bit nicer." (GAZ_NZ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 16, 2000 Author Share Posted September 16, 2000 Big Time Software wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at a Vickers Mk3 LMG instead Oh no, it's Attack Of The Curvy-Top-Mounted-Magazine Light Machine Guns! A Vickers-Berthier (designed by a Frenchie): It should be noted that the Bren in the top picture is chambered for the NATO 7.62mm cartridge. The original Czech VZ26 has a straight magazine, whereas the British wartime version, chambered for the .303in cartridge, has the curviest magazine: David ------------------ They lost all of their equipment and had to swim in under machine gun fire. As they struggled in the water, Gardner heard somebody say, "Perhaps we're intruding, this seems to be a private beach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M Hofbauer: have you seen Sudden Strike? Red Alert? If I were of your attitude, I would make sure to check those out. I'm sure you'ld like em. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, I like these games too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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