Pascal DI FOLCO Posted August 11, 2000 Share Posted August 11, 2000 Since I play CM, I remind of old good computer tactical wargames. The first that came to my mind was Kampfgruppe (SSI 85) but I have a vague remembering of another, older game on Apple II that was I think the very first "SL -type" computer game... I searched in old AH Generals (those from 80-83 !!) and found it : it was UNDER FIRE !! When you look at the screenshots they are laughable, but I had a pretty good time with this game...Ah memories... Anyone played this, amongst other Paleolitic grognards ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattus Posted August 11, 2000 Share Posted August 11, 2000 Bit before Napoleon's time weren't they! No - I had mighty Commodore 64 Exec (with built in screen. A lap top at only 25Kg! I rememeber playing Russian front for hours on tiny 8"x6" screen! Great fun - & came complete with everything editor! Sue don't make 'em like they used to - thank goodness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion Posted August 11, 2000 Share Posted August 11, 2000 I never played Under Fire!, but I did play Kampfgruppe - Great game! Also, I remember soon thereafter playing Typhoon of Steel, which was another great game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatAWilson Posted August 11, 2000 Share Posted August 11, 2000 I got years of gameplay out of Kampfgruppe. I found a way early on to select forces for both sides and then get the computer to set up and play one side. I did campaigns where I was the Germans and the computer was the Russians. Since the computer tended to do human wave charges it worked out really well, as I generally gave it a 5:1 advantage. "Tanks!" from SSI was another one that I got decent milage out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 Kampfgruppe? Can also remember Panzer Strike, Overrun and of course, Tanks! Crikey, I'm getting old! 8P Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 The one I always wanted (and never got) was called "Dnepr River Line" or some such thing. It had a map and counters like any boardgame, but the computer played the Russians... Wonder if the A/I was any good? ------------------ It's a mother-beautiful bridge and it's gonna be THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 "The Perfect General" was my first computer based war game. I thought it was amazing. I wonder what i'll be playing in 5 years... "CM 4 Pacific Hell" perhaps? ------------------ Semper Fi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concord Dan Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 Yes, I remember UNDER FIRE and Fire-Brigade by panther games for the IBM PC both copyright around 1988. Under fire for the PC was a alpha version at best. As I look at my Under fire, I see stiff requirements - 256k Ram, DOS 2.1 to 3.2, monochrome or color graphics card. Also, the game came packed on 2 5.25 360k floppies, 9 scenarios, 12 tank types ... "on the cutting edge of computer wargaming in months and even years to come," Computer gaming World. Fire Brigade The Battle for Kiev - 1943 was a good game at the time. It also has 2 5.25 floppies. Some other earlier PC wargames were put out by none other than Sid Meier and Microprose - "Crusade in Europe " and Decision in the Desert" about 1985 [This message has been edited by Concord Dan (edited 08-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasilD Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 KAMPFGRUPPE!!!! I played that thing endlessly. It was platoon level vs squad, but I still apply successfully some of the lessons learned from that game to CM, a testament to the games decency in that hex-laden era. Like dont expect your 150mm IG to live long. But thats another thread (hehe I'm still laughing about that.) ------------------ As the victors define history, so does the majority define sanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncounio Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 Nope but I do recall Computer Ambush with a WEGO system already 16 years ago ------------------ Nicolas http://perso.infonie.fr/nicolas.counio/combat_mission1.html "Deux intellectuels assis vont moins loin qu'une brute qui marche" Un Taxi Pour Tobrouk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asl Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 To stretch the topic, my favorite board games were aircraft carrier based. Why on earth hasn't there been a decent computer representation??? The computer would be perfect for the cat and mouse game of sending out search planes, hoping to whack the other guy first!! Here's hoping..... Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil the Dill Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by asl: To stretch the topic, my favorite board games were aircraft carrier based. Why on earth hasn't there been a decent computer representation??? The computer would be perfect for the cat and mouse game of sending out search planes, hoping to whack the other guy first!! Here's hoping..... Jon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> There was a game. It was calleg Carriers At War by SSG (Strategic Studies Group). A great little game with fairly basic graphics but still great fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 I really liked Carriers of War . Also, started with Mech Brigade and there was a pretty cool (for its time) game on Napoleonics called Battles of Napoleon. ------------------ Land Soft--Kill Quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatAWilson Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 In Kampfgruppe, for all of the AI's stupidity at times, it was amazing how fast arty got called in on an 88 battery. The interesting thing is that the Kampfgruppe "give order, calculate delay, move and fire" sequence is extremely imilar to CM in the sense that you could plot waypoints and the units woud just keep moving. Pretty good stuff for its time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1steaks Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 There was another good carrier game called Pacific War which also had a great island hopping system too. Does anyone remember TAC or Tactical Armor Command on the Apple from about 15 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaragdadler Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 Here is a Link to a page I've just found. You can get a C64-Emulator and over 1000 games... Sorry only german language. C64 Emulatoren & Spiele [This message has been edited by Smaragdadler (edited 08-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasilD Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 Carriers at war was excellent too. Amazing detail for the time. Only problem was it was hard to see what was happening at any given moment unless you stopped the game (requiring long disk action) every 10 mins game time. ------------------ As the victors define history, so does the majority define sanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by asl: To stretch the topic, my favorite board games were aircraft carrier based. Why on earth hasn't there been a decent computer representation??? The computer would be perfect for the cat and mouse game of sending out search planes, hoping to whack the other guy first!! Here's hoping..... Jon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Flat Top! Flat Top! Flat Top! Might be something for Steve and Charles to do after they finish CM (hint, hint). Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdit Posted August 12, 2000 Share Posted August 12, 2000 I remember one for the C64...Combat Leader I think it was called. I can't remember much about it except lots of green on a white background. It wasn't hex-based. The tanks and APCs all looked the same (a simple sprite) but might represent anything from a PIV to a T-80. I think you could even call in artillery and lay smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madpad Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Anyone remember UMS then UMS2, I quite enjoyed that on the Atari ST. I remember a couple of even older games from around 1980 which I played on the BBC and early Atari computers like the 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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