jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Unfortunately I know that many people will be upset with me for posting a note like this, but I am a bit upset that MadMatt was going to try to make money off us (by milking hits to his website). I myself have been a person who put just as much work into a website for a game (if not more), and never thought for a second of trying to take advantage of people to pad my income. Considering I'm terminally ill with Cystic Fibrosis, I certainly had a much better reason to do this than Matt does. I wondered why (for the longest time) he kept posting notes about forthcoming releases, then delaying them, and delaying them - over and over again (before each of the MDMPpacks). I thought at the time it was because he was trying to increase his hit-count by saying (it'll be here any day now) and unfortunately I was right. Matt, you've done a lot of work, but don't sit there and make a martyr out of yourself - in the end you're just like any other hobbyist. Your dedication is very nice, but not that unusual. If it hadn't been you, it would have been someone else. Now if I misinterpreted what I read, and he was not going to try and make money off the site I apologize, but that's what I thought I read. If he really wasn't worried about the dollars and was just a nice guy dedicated to Combat Mission, he would not have gone public with this little problem (am I right)? I fear money is more important to Matt than Combat Mission ever was (if he signed that contract way before Combat Mission was released). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 Once again, if I misinterpreted what I read on his site and here I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 I have NO clue what is wrong with making a couple of cents a click. Hell, if I were as good at web design and code as Matt is I would be doing my best as well. Good luck Matt! Almost forgot, thank you for all you have done for our wonderful hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captitalistdoginchina Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Madmatt has my utmost respect for what he has done for the CM community - if he can make a few bucks from the advertising companies good for him! You have my blessing Madmatt to make as much as you can. CDIC ------------------ "Death solves all problems - no man no problem" J.V.Stalin, 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rollstoy Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Good work should earn you money, and as long as *I* do not have to pay to access the site, nothing is wrong with MadMatt benefitting from his work. My student days idealism has a little bit faded since I work 45+ hours a week. If MadMatt gives his time, he should get something in return. So keep the money flowing (as long as it is not mine). Regards, Thomm P.S.: Seems that I should click more often under these circumstances, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 uhm lay off al;ready guys. this was covered already but here we go (again) 1.) He never hid the fact he was being paid. 2.) He loves this damn game! 3.) Steve and Charles support him and all the others with CM websites. 4.) He was honest with us and this is how we repay him. 5.) He is the one being screwed. 6.) Our choices are a) have some flunky that could care less run the website have Matt and Fionn run the website. 7.) Did I mention he loves the game 8.) TGN is a company that Matt is contracted with, you are not a company so how can you expect to get paid by someone. 9.) Putting adds on your site will get you paid but then you'll be as "bad" as Matt. 10.) Matt was offered a contract to put a website up for CM from TGN with what I am guessing is the blessing of BTS. Matt and Fionn (we keep forgetting him) have worked hard for all of us (Steve and Charles included) to promote this game, in part by designing an awesome website. Have you looked at computer with CM on the screen. Looks different than when you bought it huh. THat is because guys like MadMatt and Tiger and Kwazydog and Angeldeth and Molinaro and etc (there are to many to name) are fanatics about this game and you are the one who benefits. Someone said why should Matt and Fionn get paid for their hobby while other folks don't. Well last I checked writing HTML code for the newest POTD and recovering damage done by hackers was not anyone's hobby. Heads up the CM community majority has spoken and support MaddMatt and Fionn. Someone get a petition cause it's going to TGN. BTS please close this thread it's been done before. ------------------ Sir are you sure you want to go to red alert...it would mean changing the bulb -Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Oh yeah if the designers of the POTD and the graphics and the sounds and the scenarios (which Matt isn't in direct control) choose to put their work on CMHQ then it's not extortion or theivery, it is an opportunity to get your work appreciated by the masses without having to run your own server or site or ohhhh whatever...just stop it is getting ridiculous. Matt thanks for telling us what is up sorry about the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 Yes, but Matt has been using strong arm tactics against modmakers. He has told almost EVERY single mod-maker to not send their mods to anyone until he's posted them on his site. What kind of crap is that? I won't even tell you the people INSIDE BTS (contributors) he has clamped down on. They even felt it was unfair. There have been so many times I've received e-mails from people saying: Please promise me you won't tell MadMatt I sent this mod to you. Why should someone who made their own mod, be scared of Mattfor sending it to someone before he posts it on his exclusive website?????? Geez people, Matt's not as innocent as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Who is forcing the mod makers to send Matt their mods? Oh, no one. Gee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 The dudes puts a HELL of a lot of work into promoting and improving the game. He should get paid well for what he does full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 Priest you're missing the boat. The problem here is Matt's primary concern seems to be money, NOT Combat Mission. You did not read my thread fully. And to try and make as much money as possible (if the contract thing actually goes through) is to try and copyright all work, and make everyone download mods from his site and nowhere else. If you hadn't noticed Matt has copyrighted his MDMP packs (even though Kwazydog did all the work on the last one), and it explicitly says it may not be altered or hosted on another website. (well without his consent). Since when have people copyrighted their mod work?!?!?! That's called being GREEDY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Rock Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I won't even tell you the people INSIDE BTS (contributors) he has clamped down on. They even felt it was unfair<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The only people "inside BTS" are Steve and Charles- and I find it hard to imagine they have been strong-armed by Matt - so I don't know what you mean here. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There have been so many times I've received e-mails from people saying: Please promise me you won't tell MadMatt I sent this mod to you. Why should someone who made their own mod, be scared of Mattfor sending it to someone before he posts it on his exclusive website??????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I find this a bit hard to swallow. What, is Matt going to drive over to their places and break their arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Uhm if you would have read an earlier post Kwazydog said he did the non-winter vehicles in the pack. last I checked the pack included more. Second thy is it that the greater majority of people on this forum believe he does love this game. Also I would love to here from the modmakers. Tiger has chimed in already on another post. Lastly as sad as this seems (*sarcasm*) let's get everyone together and vote on Matt's popularity. Feeling lucky? ------------------ Sir are you sure you want to go to red alert...it would mean changing the bulb -Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 You people must not know html, because what he puts in every day would take someone like myself about 15 minutes per day to do. And I'm not a pro. But if no one wants to see what's going on here then just close the thread. TO reiterate points see here: 1. Work per day: 20 minutes - unless he is really slow. 2. Does anything to increase hits, including making us wait (purposely) for mods people have sent him for posting (including his own mdmp packs). 3. Matt's ego is way out of control. I've never seen somone post so many pics of themselves on their site - except porno sites Many of you (those that posted above) don't care, but my only point is that I'm upset he'll delay stuff on purpose just to increase his hits. I asked Matt about this in an e-mail a while ago and he pretty much admitted to - doing what was necessary to increase the hits on his site. At the time I thought it was only to feed his ego, but now I know there is money involved. [This message has been edited by jpinard (edited 09-19-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Okay when you go to work you pursue your goal correct? All we found out today was that CMHQ is Matt and Fionn's job (why was he banned?) and not their hobby. And about the question of time.....well my boss sits in his nice plush office and surfs the web all day when he is even there. I bet he makes more than most of us. Some people are just lucky. Then again today Matt spent "20 minutes" coding and 8-10 hours defending himself. That he even answered should tell you he is at least concerned about CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 I have no doubt Matt is mega-popular. I'd like him a lot more too, if he'd been honest with me earlier and said that he was delaying releasing stuff to increase hits because he wanted to try and make more money for himself. I said contributors you idiot (Brian Rock). Obviously Steve and Charles are not the only people that contributed to Combat Mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinard Posted September 19, 2000 Author Share Posted September 19, 2000 Priest - Didn't Matt bring this whole issue up himself? If he did, then he absolutely does need to defend himself. If he didn't bring it up, who did? Just curious - I may have missed that post somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlos Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 I am not going to side with anyone on this matter but here are my 2 c worth: * ALL of us do our pages for free. This includes Matt, what he should have been paid for (as far as i understand) was a portion of the banner click revenue. * Running a CM page (or any page for that matter) requires a great deal of work but the ones who do the most work once the page is up are the guys submitting mods, scenarios, and other stuff. * Threatening people that supply mods and scenarios is SICK and i do hope that it's something that NO CM page owners do. * Some of us are hosted by for example TGN while some (including me) aren't. What this leads to is the fact that the ones that aren't, always have to fight with lack of space and bandwith. As i said earlier in this post... I am not accusing anyone of anything or flaming anyone. These are just my personal general ideas and they are not directed at anyone in particular. ------------------ < All gave some, some gave ALL> Owner of MiNa's CMBO Page http://www.combat-mission.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 He brought it up on CMHQ. Now I feel that he aired his feelings about his situation with us. He wanted to let everyone know that CMHQ might be going through a uneasy stage soon. Since he has stated that CMHQ is a source of income in the past I doubt he thought that this would be an issue now. Pham 911 (who has since patched things up with Matt) started a thread that got pushed down the wrong path from BOTH sides of the issue. And then the whole ordeal with that "swamp" character and let's just say people are touchy. I understand completely what you are saying JP but I think that there is a little misunderstanding. As far as holding back mods, yeah I know, he has stated that many times he is holding some mods for a while (at least that is how I interpreted it). And as far as doing it for "clicks". Well you know what I squeeze some overtime every once in while from work that may not always be needed. And you know what Metallica stated that the "Black" album was a concession to make money by selling to the masses. Don't even get me started on reunion rock tours. JP your thoughts are weel thought out and presented but maybe you should email or talk to Matt first and then hopefully find some resolution. Hell email me and we discuss this more. I just think we are taking this too seriously without actually being one of the designers in question. ------------------ Sir are you sure you want to go to red alert...it would mean changing the bulb -Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 jp, Madmatt usually posts on this board, when there is an update available on his website. So there never was a need to browse to his site to generate hits; I simply wait until he posts one of his "Update at CMHQ" messages and THEN move on to his site. Guess you missed this. And making money is ok; and I think he deserves some bucks for all the work he has done for this community. Fred ------------------ "I got signals, I got readings, in front and behind of us!" - PFC Hudson on LV-426 mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Rock Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I said contributors you idiot (Brian Rock). Obviously Steve and Charles are not the only people that contributed to Combat Mission.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You've missed my point. Not that I'm surprised. Let me try again. There is nobody else "inside" BTS. Using the term "inside BTS" simply muddies the issue. What I wanted you to do was clarify what you mean by contributors. Names would be nice, but I suppose that might tie you down to factual evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 jpinard, Once again you have got the 'wrong end of the stick', we know what happened last time you got cranky ("you whiny morons" ring a bell?). All this stuff is old hat and known for ages when CMHQ was first setup. I am sure Matt spends a lot more than 20min on it per day. For a start editing Fionn's pompous prose into a readable form would take a lot more than that. Since you obviously don't know how the issue came up I can tell you that you won't be able too find out hehe. You have stated your opinions by carrying on you are acting like a drongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwin Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Matt, screw this guy. We all realise and appreciate the effort you've put into CMHQ. You should definitely recieve a your fair share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 Guys I am going to bed. I will check the thread tomorrow. Go easy on each other huh. It is just a game (a great one, one of the best ever from all genres). JP I havent't been offended by anything you have said in this thread so we cool. Everybody else let's take the high road okay. Thanks ------------------ Sir are you sure you want to go to red alert...it would mean changing the bulb -Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggi Posted September 19, 2000 Share Posted September 19, 2000 jpinard, all the stuff that you can download is free at CMHQ. Why do YOU care if he makes a buck. What are you communist? Are you jealous? Madmatt has been posting almost every day for more than a year now. Who are you to come in here and judge if he can earn some money. Madmatt deserves to earn some money. If he gets rich, what's wrong with that? What is wrong with someone who works hard, enjoys what he does and gives tremendous pleasure to so many people, to make money? Don't go to his site if YOU don't want to. Don't give mods if YOU don't want to. Jeeses, people expect free work. Hackers expect free games. Sorry, life is not free. Actually, all the MODs are free at the CMHQ site. What is wrong with that jpinard? I completely disagree with your self rightious higher than thou attitude. Madmatt went to Germany, supplied us with pics...all free. Oh my God, Madmatt is energetic and free enterprising...oooh maybe he should be unemployed on Gov't funds to make you happy. You get so much stuff for free and you complain. [This message has been edited by iggi (edited 09-19-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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