Looking for Schirwindt map

[Aragorn2002]

I'm looking for this map of the East Prussian bordertown of Schirwindt in pdf format. In case someone has this map, I would be very grateful.

 Schirwindt 12103 - Topographische Karte

[BornGinger]

Why a pdf file? Isn't a topographic map picture good enough?

[Aragorn2002]

2 minutes ago, BornGinger said:

Why a pdf file? Isn't a topographic map picture good enough?

It is, if detailed enough. 

[DesertFox]

Maybe this will do the trick for you for finding out about this extinct town:

1916_KDR_34_Schirwindt-Wladyslawow_100K.jpg (5802×5499) (lithuanianmaps.com)

and Oldmapsonline has the 1/25000 map

Meßtischblatt 12103 : Schirwindt, 1938 (oldmapsonline.org)

[Aragorn2002]

1 hour ago, DesertFox said:

Maybe this will do the trick for you for finding out about this extinct town:

1916_KDR_34_Schirwindt-Wladyslawow_100K.jpg (5802×5499) (lithuanianmaps.com)

and Oldmapsonline has the 1/25000 map

Meßtischblatt 12103 : Schirwindt, 1938 (oldmapsonline.org)

Very useful, DF. Danke!

[Combatintman]

Or here:

First link is the index page:

Found maps (amzp.pl)

Remaining links are all of the maps on that index all maps are dated 1936-1944 but the ones I've looked at have elevations shown in the old-world style so no contours:

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11824023

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=6072

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=6547

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11797654

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11821246

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11824191

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11794966

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11797694

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11807669

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11838475

Screenshot from the 1944 fortification map:

All of the above are 1:100,000 which was the standard military map scale for German military maps of the era.  They ain't great for CM Scenario Editor Overlays so you have to use them as a sort of reference to see the layout and extent of the town and then use other tools such as Google Earth.  I've had a look there and its blatantly obvious where the church was:

Use OpenTopoMap for your contours - there aren't many:

OpenTopoMap - Topographische Karten aus OpenStreetMap

Some pretty good photo resources of the place - this one stood out:

Image Archive East Prussia, Schirwindt, aerial photo (bildarchiv-ostpreussen.de)

Other than that, I can't' really help I'm afraid ...

 

[Aragorn2002]

40 minutes ago, Combatintman said:

Or here:

First link is the index page:

Found maps (amzp.pl)

Remaining links are all of the maps on that index all maps are dated 1936-1944 but the ones I've looked at have elevations shown in the old-world style so no contours:

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11824023

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=6072

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=6547

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11797654

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11821246

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11824191

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11794966

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11797694

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11807669

http://igrek.amzp.pl/details.php?id=11838475

Screenshot from the 1944 fortification map:

All of the above are 1:100,000 which was the standard military map scale for German military maps of the era.  They ain't great for CM Scenario Editor Overlays so you have to use them as a sort of reference to see the layout and extent of the town and then use other tools such as Google Earth.  I've had a look there and its blatantly obvious where the church was:

Use OpenTopoMap for your contours - there aren't many:

OpenTopoMap - Topographische Karten aus OpenStreetMap

Some pretty good photo resources of the place - this one stood out:

Image Archive East Prussia, Schirwindt, aerial photo (bildarchiv-ostpreussen.de)

Other than that, I can't' really help I'm afraid ...

 

Nevertheless very interesting, Combatintman, especially the fortification map, which suggests that Schirwindt itself wasn't defended. And yes, the location of the church can't be missed. Thank you!

Edited September 13, 2022 by Aragorn2002

[Aragorn2002]

15 hours ago, Combatintman said:

Screenshot from the 1944 fortification map:

All of the above are 1:100,000 which was the standard military map scale for German military maps of the era.  They ain't great for CM Scenario Editor Overlays so you have to use them as a sort of reference to see the layout and extent of the town and then use other tools such as Google Earth.  I've had a look there and its blatantly obvious where the church was:

 

 

Btw, Combatintman, where did you find this fortification map? I take it those fortifications are part of the Ostpreussen Schutzstellung and would love to see a bigger map.

[Combatintman]

@Aragorn2002First go here:

Index sheets viewer (amzp.pl)

Then select

Karte des Deutschen Reiches 1:100 000, Großblatt/Einheitsblatt, ark. zbiorcze /1919 - 1945/

You'll then get a map index screen with the map sheet numbers on a map.  Should look like this once you scroll across to Prussia and the Baltic nations:

Then click your desired area - if there's a red number it means there is an online map sheet for it.  Then just look at the sheets.  In this case it was Pillkallen that I clicked which brought up that list of nine maps in the Index Page that is in the first hyperlink in my last post.  I opened the fortification one because it was handily labeled fortifications and; therefore, looked interesting.

If you go south of Pillkallen to Ebenrode (16b) there is a similarly labeled map for that area:

maps.mapywig.org/m/German_maps/series/100K_KDR_Gross_and_Einheitsblaetter/Gb_16b_Ebenrode_VI.1944_Befest_Mitte_Dez_1944_LoC_G6966.R4_s100_.G4.jpg

A time-consuming process for sure and some maps won't be conveniently labeled 'fortification map' or similar.  I have found some maps that have had military markings on them with no clue before I opened them that I was going to see anything other than a standard map sheet.  Always helps if you know what part of the country, you're looking for to start with and then it's pretty easy to narrow down the map sheets you're after.  It also helps if you've got a pretty good interweb connection/download speed.  I have spent weeks, if not months in this archive and most of my East Front content for CM has benefitted from these visits.

[Aragorn2002]

1 hour ago, Combatintman said:

@Aragorn2002First go here:

Index sheets viewer (amzp.pl)

Then select

Karte des Deutschen Reiches 1:100 000, Großblatt/Einheitsblatt, ark. zbiorcze /1919 - 1945/

You'll then get a map index screen with the map sheet numbers on a map.  Should look like this once you scroll across to Prussia and the Baltic nations:

Then click your desired area - if there's a red number it means there is an online map sheet for it.  Then just look at the sheets.  In this case it was Pillkallen that I clicked which brought up that list of nine maps in the Index Page that is in the first hyperlink in my last post.  I opened the fortification one because it was handily labeled fortifications and; therefore, looked interesting.

If you go south of Pillkallen to Ebenrode (16b) there is a similarly labeled map for that area:

maps.mapywig.org/m/German_maps/series/100K_KDR_Gross_and_Einheitsblaetter/Gb_16b_Ebenrode_VI.1944_Befest_Mitte_Dez_1944_LoC_G6966.R4_s100_.G4.jpg

A time-consuming process for sure and some maps won't be conveniently labeled 'fortification map' or similar.  I have found some maps that have had military markings on them with no clue before I opened them that I was going to see anything other than a standard map sheet.  Always helps if you know what part of the country, you're looking for to start with and then it's pretty easy to narrow down the map sheets you're after.  It also helps if you've got a pretty good interweb connection/download speed.  I have spent weeks, if not months in this archive and most of my East Front content for CM has benefitted from these visits.

Looks like a real treasure trove. Thank you again for pointing me to this site.