Guest TOBRUK Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 A PTO game by BTS would be great. In the distant past I played an excellent game called (ironically enough) "PTO" on a Sega machine. The game was written by a Japanese group called KOEI. I have been looking for a similar game for the PC ever since. This PTO game modelled every ship (US & JAP) that actually fought in the Pacific WW2. I don't know if the CM people would care to deal with Ships ( Carrriers, Planes, etc.) but it would be good to see them try. The Pacific theatre, of course, utilized very little Armor. In fact that which was used by Allies was usually obsolete stuff from the European Theatre. The Japanese, especially in the ocean archipelagos, did not favor heavy armor. Anyways, just a thought. Later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lokesa Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 I remeber PTO on sega, played the hell out of it that and romance of the three kingdoms, PTO II I didn't care for that much though, had to go with golf, football and hockey instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 I just wanted to cast my vote for a PTO CM. I would like it after the Eastern Front. I think assaulting things like that cave system at Iwo Jima would be really cool. However, it would probably be hard for you guys to model Iwo Jima since all Japanese fortications were linked by an underground system. BTS would have to model that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_PanzerLeader Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 hehe If its infantry clashes you want I say we model one after WW1 there hasnt been a WW1 gmae made yet - The SOMME should really appeal to those looking for infantry engagemnts :-P Can we leave the dead guys :_P J/K SS_PanzerLeader...out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolColJ Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 I live in Rabaul for 12 years - I was also born there - then moved to Austrailia ...best childhood memories Let just say the terrain there is pretty damn rough Plenty of Tank relics, bunkers, bullet shells, crashed bombers etc...best view from some of the hills there.. I'm not sure how CM could portray the jungle there ------------------ ------------------ CCJ BLITZ_Force My HomePage -----> www.geocities.com/coolcolj/ Check out my Combat Mission Beta Demo Tweaked Textures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 SS_PanzerLeader, Actually, I think a WW1 version of CM would be a hoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_PanzerLeader Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 IT would definitely be different- Zepplins, strafing runs, early tanks, Mustard Gas, waves of human carnage Ahh the possibilities :-P SS_PanzerLeader....out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not here Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 I thought about a WWI version, too. But when you think about it, most of it would be kind of boring from a game point of view on this scale. Kind of like the beach landing problem, at company level: two game turns, one long arty prep, one over the top and everybody dies. The dead body option would be the most entertaining thing about the WWI game. The scale is part of what makes this work, integral to the concept you could say, and that's why modeling ships and Zeppelins seems pretty much out of the question (except as OBA). Of course, there aren't any good medieval games out there... hmmm. I think they could do a great job with PTO, but I suspect it will require a custom engine job, for tunnels and jungle, etc. LRRPs in Burma shouldn't be overlooked. Some nice ANZAC possibilities to broaden the market base, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPick Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 All, As another of the anonymous Beta Team, I wade in with Wild Bill, and vote for the PTO. Designing those cave/bunker defenses will be too much to resist! =) Heh heh heh... Chris ------------------ Chris Pick chris@chris-and-donna.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted December 15, 1999 Author Share Posted December 15, 1999 I am hoping that we can have a vote later with a poll on TGN to get an overall view of opinion for BTS for adding the Pacific. I'll be reminding you (G)! ------------------ Wild Bill Wild Bill's Raiders Director of Scenario Design, The Gamers Net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS was 71331 Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 On the "vote early -- and often" theory, I once again support CM in the Pacific and in Korea. I fully agree that landing ops won't work (with what I've seen so far), but Guadalcanal, for one, was mostly fought after the landing. And Korea (which, having been stationed there with the 2d Inf Div, I want even more) had no landings at all. (Plus it was all WWII equipment -- on both sides!) ------------------ Airborne Combat Engineer Troop Leader (1966-1968) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>On the "vote early -- and often" theory, I once again support CM in the Pacific and in Korea.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Same here. PTO for sure. And you all have convinced me, a Korean version would also be great . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>And Korea ... had no landings at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I guess Inchon don't count? {G,D,RLH} -Bullethead [This message has been edited by Bullethead (edited 12-15-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Tom Posted December 15, 1999 Share Posted December 15, 1999 Although this doesn't deal with Combat Mission, it does follow on the War in the Pacific theme. TGN is doing a remake of Gary Grigbsy's Pacific War, as most of you are aware of. Indeed, I thought that the original was one of the best wargames I have seen. It is being graphically, and internally updated. Allowing for a much more realistic game. I think that they have even included vessels as small as Minesweepers, along with all of the historical larger, Ships, Planes and Land Units. It is supposed to ship out in Spring 2000, so way after CM, but, it will hopefully quench our lust for games dealing with the Pacific Theatre, however, on the Macro scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard III Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 Although I would love a PTO version of CM, I must admit that I would purchase a CM game set in any theater of war Steve and Charles choose to favor us with. As for North Africa, doesn't anyone remember the old Avalon Hill game Tobruk? One of my all-time favorite board games, it featured individual vehicles and squads as Combat Mission does, suggesting to me that a N. Africa CM would be fun indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I guess Inchon don't count?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ah, give him a break... he was in the Army. Most of them forget that they were in Korea to support Marine operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 Tobruk was the second or third wargame I ever bought. I was really huge into the North African theatre at that point. Still one of the facets of WWII that I am most interested in. I will be interested in about any CM they release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillWood Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 Lets not forget about the War with Russia, the Nohoman Incidents. And some actions from the August 1945 battles. Of course, to really do it justice, you have to model tunnels somehow for the island battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS was 71331 Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 God, why don't I just shut down my keyboard? In my last half dozen posts, I've forgotten that the Brits fought Zulus in the Zulu War rather than the Boer War and that there was a significant landing at Inchon during the Korean War. [Given that I actually spent my first night in Korea in September 1966 at a replacement company in Inchon, you'd think I would have remembered the landings there only sixteen years before!] [i've even seen Reverend Moon's war movie, "Inchon," with Laurence Olivier playing MacArthur!] And I wasn't intending to sell the marines short: the 2d Inf Div, my old outfit, actually had a marine brigade during WWI. I'm so eager to post, I guess I don't think through what I'm trying to say. ------------------ Airborne Combat Engineer Troop Leader (1966-1968) [This message has been edited by MOS was 71331 (edited 12-16-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fester Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 >>Ah, give him a break... he was in the Army<< Rut Roh... I'll hold him down BH, you "Educate" him Fester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesy Posted December 16, 1999 Share Posted December 16, 1999 Please do PTO...For personal reasons - I think it would be sooooo coool. Think about the terrain possibilities (Kiska/Attu to places like Tarawa and New Guinea. I had an Uncle who was in the vaunted Kwangtung Army (but was captured by the Soviets) and had another cousin of my dad who was killed in the Imphal Operations in '44. Please pretty please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted December 17, 1999 Share Posted December 17, 1999 Please, please do Pacific Combat Mission. I can't believe I waded this far down this thread and nobody mentioned the two battles I would most like to see modeled: Wake Island and Pelileu. These two magnificent ordeals capture the best of what men can do under pressure. Anybody here ever read Hunts "Coral Comes High"? Imagine modeling "The Point" with a CM engine? God, I get goosebumps thinking about it. Scorpions in a bottle. Europe is for weenies. Anybody can play armchair Patton anyday, but how about his equally flamboyant cousin, "Chesty" Puller? Give me an '03 springfield and some yellow leggings. Maybe an M2 light tank and a couple John Basilones...Man, the game SCREAMS of "classic". And to anybody who thinks it would be one sided, do some reading. "Enemy on island, issue in doubt" What about the Philipines? Manchuria? New Britain and New Guinny? Wow! Suddenly I'm not at all looking forward to CM... I'd totally chuck N. Afrika and Italia for a chance to see-saw across the Pacific. Maybe it's just a Marine thing. You dogface's probably wouldn't understand... Semper Fi! Zamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not here Posted December 17, 1999 Share Posted December 17, 1999 Zamo: I mentioned Wake up around post #8, and it would be great. A what iffer ground invasion of Oahu would be kind of trick, too (I think there was one in Perfect General). BillWood: Nomonhan is a brilliant suggestion (long as we're dreaming)! I'm kind of a Russo-Japanese aficionado, and round 2, The Bear's Revenge, would be ideal for CM. Very nasty. I don't get around Gameland as much as some here, but I have never seen a Nomonhan scenario anywhere. Of course I would cheerfully settle for a 4th demo (just a little skirmish, mind you) any time before 25 DEC. Gotta a couple long flights to kill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted December 17, 1999 Share Posted December 17, 1999 Zamo said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I'd totally chuck N. Afrika and Italia for a chance to see-saw across the Pacific. Maybe it's just a Marine thing. You dogface's probably wouldn't understand... Semper Fi!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Amen, bro! And the whole CM "operations" concept lends itself so well to PTO battles. Hell, you could probably put most of Betio, or the north end of Saipan, on a single CM map. Oh yeah, and Chesty was WAY more flamboyant than Patton. What was it he said? "There's a fine line between a Navy Cross and a general court martial." Guess he'd know, he got 5 of them . -Bullethead Semper Fi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argie Posted December 17, 1999 Share Posted December 17, 1999 Yeah!!! Korea and the PTO now!!! Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted December 17, 1999 Author Share Posted December 17, 1999 Man, I just thought I was excited about this possibility. Wake! Yes, and Peleliu and and so many others! All right, my blood is up! I'm ready now! ------------------ Wild Bill Wild Bill's Raiders Director of Scenario Design, The Gamers Net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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