John Kettler Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 On the last page of my OP, Codename Duchess asked "Why couldn't an ATGM be used against a helicopter?" Short answer. Not only can it, but for some weapons, it's explicitly part of their capabilities. Krizantema is listed as being able to engage low flying helicopters, as can Refleks. The Ukrainians have TLGM weapons with similar, if not better, capabilities. But I believe the statement about helicopters on the UKR site understates capability vs them. As long as accurate guidance can be maintained in the face of whatever the helo's doing, hitting a moving helicopter should be doable, too. Of course, if you happen to land in front of a Kornet-E team waiting for you to so so, this may well happen.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d88_1410189533Here is an uncredited, but undoubtedly from Russian source, very good article on modern Russian attack helicopters. Not only is it technically meaty, but it has some great large format color pics, too.Regards,John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yet another interesting article from you John, keep them coming Here's one back you may find interesting on the "Hind in foreign service" from Air Vectors. It has an interesting mention of Syrian Hinds in use against Israeli operations in Lebanon but doesn't elaborate unfortunately. http://www.airvectors.net/avhind_2.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Luka,You're welcome. What a great link! The TOW air-to-air kill accounts were sure news to me, but make perfectly good sense. I have some vague recollection of reading about Syrian helos vs the IDF, but I'm not about to blindly accept the tank kill claims asserted vs it. Meanwhile, here's another video of a HIND in the weeds. This one is Ukrainian, apparently near Luhansk. Mi-24 vs MANPADS. Doesn't end well. The very definition of things going pear shaped.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=159_1433424437Also, while looking for Syrian Mi-24s vs IDF, I found this. Russian Mi-24s attacking in Syria. Sadly, the visual conditions and camera quality aren't good.Regards,John Kettler Edited October 26, 2015 by John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Wow they are flying seriously low: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCuLQ_sc-C4#t=30sec I've seen that Ukrainian video before, I think its quite old. They must have shat themselves in that moment when they start falling I don't envy them. What's interesting in that video is that even though the poster says there were no survivors of the incident if you keep watching after its crashed you'll see the camera move a bit and hear what sound like gunshots. perhaps one of the crew getting away or rebels shooting to ensure no survivors?Edit: Could also just be noises from the wreckage, i have a vivid imagination Edited October 27, 2015 by Luka 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Please excuse the double post, for some reason I can't edit my post from just before again.I found this article about Soviet Helicopter tactics in Aghanistan from '85. It mentions the new "nap of the earth" approach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 said article: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1985/jan-feb/nelson.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Again not Russian, but UKR Hinds on super-extremely low flight. Photos form Shyrokyi Lan range trainings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Video from dashcam of UKR Mi-24P, which was shot down at 20th August 2014 during two pairs of Mi-24 attacked the hill near Georgiivka, which was taken by two companies of 76th division of Russian VDV. Several MANPADs were launched (though also Pantsyr version exists), one of them hit this chopper on low altitude... Both crewmen got killed immediately... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Also, while looking for Syrian Mi-24s vs IDF, I found this. Russian Mi-24s attacking in Syria. Sadly, the visual conditions and camera quality aren't good.Regards,John KettlerJohn this looks like the same two choppers in the other video you posted a while back, just from a different location. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 John this looks like the same two choppers in the other video you posted a while back, just from a different location.I dont know, i had that thought too but then looked a few more times and started to doubt it. I cant see any similar landmarks and these guys seem to be in a less urbanised area. Just my two cents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) I dont know, i had that thought too but then looked a few more times and started to doubt it. I cant see any similar landmarks and these guys seem to be in a less urbanised area. Just my two centsLook again at the silhouettes of what could be water towers or Minarets or both on the horizon. They are identical in the two videos, as are the flight paths of the two aircraft. The helicopters are just filmed from different vantage points.. Edited November 4, 2015 by Nidan1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Was on one of my very rare visits to VIDMAX when in the War section I came across some footage of a pair of Russian Mi-35s letting rip rocket fire from such low altitude it freaked out the people in the video who were under it. Clearly, they wren't accustomed to helicopters operating so low (see, for example, the way the Syrians operate their attack helos from way up in the sky), let alone firing. Speaking of rockets, someone was under what looked like an outbound Smerch strike with a HD video camera, so close you could hear each rocket launched and watch them in staggered succession, still under thrust and looking something like meteors with the tape reversed, hurtling overhead and ripping up the sky as they passed. Later, there's long distance footage showing what it looked like on the other end. Bad juju.There's also some Russian strike footage (much better image quality than we've typically seen) against some sort of an ISIS oil facility. I wasn't impressed. Of, say, 12 oil tanks (if oil tanks were what they engaged) available to be hit, only two were hit.Since I'm not quite sure where to get into other things I saw, I'll also say there is some excellent TOW firing footage in Syria there, against a variety of targets in both MOUT and more open areas, as well as one claimed to be vs the Russian CSAR helo which came to get the Su-24M crew downed over Turkey. You're going to want to see this TOW material. Raytheon execs must be thrilled, for the anti-Assad vids show a weapon easily brought in and out of action, often with only one man doing the whole task from weapon assembly through acquiring, firing, target destruction, removal of expended missile tube and, oh, yes, jubilation. TOW is markedly faster to the target, and considerably more stable in flight, than just about every ATGM in use there except for the Kornet-E. From what I can tell, TOW's arrival is a big boost to the anti-Assad cause.There is some very good footage of sniping being conducted by anti-Assad forces, and Assad's guys really need to work on hiding better (starting with hiding) and not being backlit. I particularly noted the use of some sort of AMR, evidenced by a big impact splash on a concrete beam above the target, more basso firing sound and the telltale mechanical noises of a heavy bolt action being worked and of a substantial (kind of thunked) cartridge case hitting the ground. No 7.62 mm or .308 sniper sounds like this one did.There's much more than this, but if you have any interest in the above matters, I believe you'd find the visit worth your time.Regards,John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Problem is that the SAA is fighting enemies from all terrorist organizations which are being backed by other countries. FSA has a huge stock of TOW missiles, I don't know how they got it but they have it. And with that said, They don't know what weapons to expect, RuAF has decreased the amount of ATGMs being fired from reports. T-90s are on scene, And if I'm not wrong have already been used in operations in Aleppo, Those tanks will boost ground capability. The TOS-1s are also good for taking out suspected enemy ambush positions. Say that a rebel group used the TOW-2 against SAA defensive positions, After their position is identified you can send alot of KGs of thermobaric explosives to the positions. These are a few tactics that are being used. About the oil tank footage, Would be great if you could maybe send a link? What I've been noticing is the RuAF is striking important equipment on the facilities instead of destroying all the oil. (Our bro president Assad will need it maybe ) The RuAF has a priority on being cost effective in Syria, They use the older of the FAB bombs in some missions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 VladimirTarasov,PMed you the link.Regards,John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Was over on FoxtrotAlpha just now where I found a long piece on Russian helicopter tactics. It's got some good stuff, including what I believe to be extended versions of some of the Syrian footage and two vids we've not seen before.http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/video-shows-russian-mi-24-hind-attack-helicopters-in-in-1735768242Also, Russia continues to use iron bombs from its helicopters. Indeed, dumb bombs seem to be Russia's munition of choice in Syria for fixed and rotary wing platforms.http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/easy-answer-option-3-and-the-someone-is-obama-the-re-1744317314?utm_source=taboolaRegards,John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I guess they've run dry on PGMs, as predicted by others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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