MERC Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 Just saw a preview of CM at http://www.combatsim.com/ Screen shots look great. Even has a screenshot of the scenario (terrain) editor. [This message has been edited by MERC (edited 10-06-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risc Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 Yeah I red it, it's well done. Woow some new cools shots, I especially like the one with the editor ! I can't wait for the public beta test !!! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oberly Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 Heh,nice job Moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 Argh, I've been spotted Thanks! Glad that you like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikeman Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 The Combatsim review got me even more excited about CM, something I didn't think was possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see a large number of "non-grog" general strategy gamers making their way to this site. There is so much that is new, different, and better about CM that I suspect many computer gaming enthusiasts will check it out, purchase it, and enjoy it. They may not fully appreciate the time and effort that has gone into making the game realistic, but they'll enjoy it anyway. I once posted somewhere on this board that I didn't think CM would ever be a hit by "industry" standards. Now I'm not so sure. It may take some time for the word to get out, but BTS may really score here. Think about it from the general gamer's perspective. CM has nice 3D graphics, Multiple viewing options, easy interface, good AI, and a scenario editor for longevity. Add to that the fact that there will probably be virtually no bugs (a polished product)and this game should get great reviews all over the web. When is Battlefront going public? I want to get in on the ground floor. Mikeman out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted October 7, 1999 Share Posted October 7, 1999 Mikeman, One comment about what you said.. You said "CM should get great reviews all over the web".. If only it were so.. I know that as someone who reviews games sometimes I shouldn't say this for fear of retaliation BUT it is shocking how poor some reviews are. Specifically with wargames many sites simply don't have someone who is qualified to review a game like Combat Mission fully. I've seen people review games in the era of Frederick who don't understand the differences between light, medium and heavy cavalry, who don't know the difference between grenadiers and line infantry and who simply don't have the specialised knowledge necessary to appreciate and point out the intricacies of the game. Mark my words we're going to see reviews from RTSers who thought CM would be another RTS and from others who will give out for not being able "to get in and drive the tank myself"... None of these will be a reflection on the game but more a reflection on the reviewer. The so-called strategy reviewers on some sites often would be RTSers who get anything and everything which is a strategy or wargame thrown their way with the end result that they don't do justice to hard-core wargames. Obviously that won't be a problem with well-known quality sites like cdmag, TGN (chuckle... couldn't resist the plug) and The Wargamer BUT many sites simply don't have anyone who would be suitable to review CM and it'll show... One of the most hilarious things I ever read was a review of a hard-core chopper sim by a Quakehead.. I think he was from Thresh's clansite if memory serves me right.. Poor guy ended up cracking jokes because he had never EVER played a chopper sim before and didn't know what he was doing. Thus the number 1 rule of reading reviews is.. KNOW THE REVIEWER... If you know the reviewer is a hard-core wargamer and he says it's a great, innovative wargame then trust it, if you have some Command & Conquer lover giving out because CM's system isn't real-time then stop going to that site. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwcanuck Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 I agree with Fionn. We were witnessed to a few glowing reviews about CC3 before it was released that got many of us running out to the Stores to buy the game only to find out the AI was ineffective, unrealistic units (thank goodness for Real Red!) and a major multiplayer connection problem. The best reviews are from "us" the gamers and thus a review by Fionn and others on this board about CM is much more rewarding, and that is what sparked my personal interest in the game. My 2 cents RW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Quick quetion (loved the review, by the way Moon), it mentions that CM will only be available by download off the Battlefront site. Don't you mean only available to to purchase from the Battlefront site? Not that I am against downloading the game (with a cable modem even the big ones don't take to long , but I imagine people with 56K modems would find downloading the entire game and manual rather difficult. Just currious HAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 HAL, I think you are right here. As far as I know (and I could be wrong ) the full game wont be available for download as such. It is only purchasable from the BF web site, at which point the game is sent out to you. [This message has been edited by KwazyDog (edited 10-07-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Nobody, not even someone with a T1, would be happy with us if it were a download I'll double check the wording in the review, but I don't recall that it said download. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Davie Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Steve I downloaded Office 2000 in 2 hours so, uh wait a second...... In all seriousness if you were to offer Combat Mission for sale via download (and I'm not sure that the tech exists????)why would you say that a T1 equipped person would have problems? I'm getting ~100 kbytes/ sec on a cable modem on average. Say 100 minutes for a full CD give or take. Maybe less if you choose not to download the 'opposing' OS portion. Am I missing something here? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Command & Conquer lover<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You can like RTS and like wargames too. As long as you realise that there is a difference between the two. I'm running Tiberian sun now, looking forward to Dark reign, probably will buy Age of Kings. Sure they aren't 'wargames'. However, don't let your gaurd down Fionn, many guys that eat and live RTS have a good feeling for coordinating force with time and place. I surely will lose many games. I had Squad leader awhile back and never went to any wargamers conventions. The internet gave me the taste of going head to head with a human. Red Alert taught me how to crack a defence. Even my brief period in the infantry reserves didn't give me the sense of tactics that Red Alert gave me. Yes , have a good laugh at the Canadian Army. The importance of choke points were learned in Red Alert. The tactic of hitting a small section of the enemy with force from the side was taught to me by Red Alert. Recon, massing firepower, Red Alert. If you think that you are buying an RTS,or a vehicule simulator, you are misguided for sure. I'm sure some RTS lovers know they are buying a revolutionary wargame that bridges the sterile turn based nature of the past wargames with a new system riveling the uncertainty and intensity that RTS games have, in a realistic wargame environment. Cloak device on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Thomas, Im not sure if this is what Steve was refering too, but I personally wouldnt want CM to be downloadable for the simple reason that you wouldnt get a printed manual. With a game with as much detail as CM I really would want a printed manual, even taking into account its interface thats designed to be easy to use.... Just my opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 The last paragraph (about the download) has been added by the editor of CombatSim after I asked him to do so because nowhere in the article it was specifically mentioned that CM will be available from Battlefront.com only. Looks like there has been a misunderstanding and I probably didn't make clear enough that there will be no download, but that the game will be shipped by mail with a nice paper manual. The demos can be downloaded, but the full version cannot. Sorry for the hickup, I've asked them to change it asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Whatever the case might be, we aren't selling the game by downloading (yes, the technology exists, but it is quite complicated and probably expensive). As for the T1 crack, eh... overstatement But seeing as most people have only 28.8 connections (modem speed higher than that often doesn't matter when you aren't in a city) a multiple hundred MG download is out of the question. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Fionn's point about reviews is spot on. I've come to almost totally mistrust the damned things. Now I download the demo and if it sucks then I'm just not buying the game. Too many people enter a store and buy a crappy game because it has a picture of a half-naked woman on the front cover (I know I have!) If people relied more on demos and less on reviews then I think there'd be less crappier games bombarding us during the holiday season. Marko; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingtiger Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Marko, I would buy another copy of CM if it had a Naked women on the cover. Richard Kalajian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Note to Battlefront marketing. Less soldiers, more naked women on the front cover. Marko; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Oh ya marko, and if some naked women lover like you reviews the game and says it's no good cause you happen to like naked women and you find that there aren't enough naked women or that the women aren't naked enough for you, why should I suffer from such a biased review? This has nothing to do with orange or strawberry jello. [This message has been edited by John Maragoudakis (edited 10-08-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 John, Yup, RTS and wargames aren't exclusive of course.. I was just being all general . It was because I've seen an RTS game hold up CC3 as the "holy grail of wargaming" (HIS QUOTES).. He also rhapsodised about its accuracy etc. That one had me laughing out loud let me tell you .. I saved his review it was so funny. I still have it around here somewhere. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 The article at combatsim has been changed. No more "CM available via download". Just wanted to let you know. Sorry again for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Jenkins Posted October 8, 1999 Share Posted October 8, 1999 Naked women is a must. It's always good to have some sex with your violence. Try Amanda Hope. She is a Playboy Playmate from 1992 who posed nude in her uniform. HOT! When we take a village, the local prostitutes should arrive, say a squad of them. They would have similar animations while walking, but let your imagination run wild about what the "close combat" animation would look like. To the victors go the spoils. ------------------ Climb to Glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted October 9, 1999 Share Posted October 9, 1999 I too had high hopes for Close combat back when I first saw the beyond squad leader scoop in PCGamer. Accuracy aside, I found it was hard to coordinate everything at once. RTS games are designed to work with a real time system. Thier science fiction environments allow designers to stretch reality to accomodate the game system. Now when CC tried to force realistic control in a real time system, the result ,(for me) is confusion. Therefore, Fionn, I agree with you that calling CC the holy grail of wargaming was an overstatement. Although even in failing to achieve perfection, CC did attempt to advance the genre and that is commendable. However after 3 versions I can see why wargamers are starting to look for a game with more potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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