weapon2010 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Does the presence of friendly armor units within los affect infantry morale in a positive way?And does the presence of enemy armor have an adverse effect? If it does not, it should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPB II Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Completely forgot the beginning of the post. In all the time I have played I can't say I've noticed that the mere presence or visual cue of AFVs would have a noticeable impact on morale. The most important factors regarding morale would be a change in C2 state, casualties or taking fire. I understand the concept, but finishing the design for a game could be tricky. Never been in a war so I fortunately don't know, but having spent a reasonable amount of time in the presence of different armoured vehicles... It's not a clear-cut thing. There are so many variables. There are situations where the presence of friendly armour near your very personal battlespace is unnerving. For an infantryman, a vehicle is an explosion waiting to happen somewhere, maybe near you, maybe near the enemy. In modern times especially, the frontal sector of several AFVs is a deadly place to be, due to the shoes of the sabot flying rather unpredictably. The blast wave from a main armament firing can be deadly. Then there's the noise and heat... There are plenty of other things to worry about, but you can never completely stop worrying about whether the commander and the driver see you. It's a great idea, but it also has many variables that need to be taken into account. Like in the winter, your troops behind a tank will be happy because the exhaust keeps them warm. But on a hot summer day... EDIT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidFields Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 To expand on your point, weapon2010, adverse morale in the presence of enemy armor should most affect infantry morale if they have no AT capabilities. Certainly this was more relevant early in the war. Not high on my list of "wants", for what is a very complicated simulation, already--but I can see why the point would be made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I seem to recall a Bill Mauldin cartoon showing a tanker telling a glum looking bunch of infantry "We'll leave you guys alone now, Jerry's got our range..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I would hazard a guess that an enemy AFV that is pointing its weaponry in your direction would have a definite impact on your morale. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Related, I get the sense that armour is more willing to stick around in the presence of infantry, if it's got its own infantry to back it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG TOW Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Tanks can hurt friendly infantry morale, especially when you are warming your hands on their exhaust and the crew opens their hatches to let out the steam from their pressure cooker while eating hotdogs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Tanks can hurt friendly infantry morale, especially when you are warming your hands on their exhaust and the crew opens their hatches to let out the steam from their pressure cooker while eating hotdogs. LOL Followed by an immediate about face when the tank takes a hit,brews up and the crew become the hot dogs in a pressure cooker. The Churchill came with a small element to enable the crew to brew tea-them Brits think of everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 LOL Followed by an immediate about face when the tank takes a hit,brews up and the crew become the hot dogs in a pressure cooker. The Churchill came with a small element to enable the crew to brew tea-them Brits think of everything. And I bet tankers did what they could to spread the joy. Always good to keep your close protection detail sweet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Tanks can hurt friendly infantry morale, especially when you are warming your hands on their exhaust and the crew opens their hatches to let out the steam from their pressure cooker while eating hotdogs. Reminds me a bit of this Mauldin cartoon: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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