John Kettler Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Bersaglieri uniform http://home.comcast.net/~babela29/Uniforms.html Italian military organizations http://www.custermen.com/ItalyWW2/ArmyOrg/ItalianOrg.htm Bersaglieri Private's Uniform http://www.listityourselfauctions.com/detail.asp?id=25575 Bersaglieri in World War II (in Italian) http://digilander.libero.it/lacorsainfinita/index.htm Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amedeo Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I don't think E.P. was any sort of HESH (also called HEP for "High Explosive, Plastic") as it did not utilize plastic explosives. I suspect it was just a very inefficient shaped-charge design. You are right in considering EP an inefficient (to put it mildly) HEAT design. But my point is: what's the best way to simulate the effects of EP rounds in CMFI? Considering that field trials showed that its (EP) effects were mainly cracking and spalling damage, I presume it's better to model it as a HESH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeroma Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Exactly, it's no coincidence that they (and not some line infantry regiments) assumed the role of mobile infantry for the divisioni corazzate and divisioni celeri. Perhaps today (with a professional army and a high proportion of bersaglieri with respect to the infantry totals) bersaglieri are not that much different from ordinary mech infantry, but I'm positive that for equipement, organization, fitness and esprit de corps they were way better than line infantry in WW2. BTW I'm surprised that, given the quote in your signature, you think that bersaglieri unit weren't better than average line infantry. Of course I'm referring to battaglioni mobilitati, carabinieri paracadutisti and other units that had front line duties, not the average MP company. I hope the game will correctly model the peculiarities of Italian equipement. BTW, now that CMx2 is able to model HESH ammo, perhaps we will see effetto pronto shells for Italian guns. Regards We agree, but I really have never said they were not worse or equal to line infantry, I just say that I think could not be considered fully Elite, like Parà or Alpini or for example at the XXXI or XXXII Btg.Guastatori in North Africa just one example. Anyway, I was referring only to the period of WW2. The batt. carabinieri at that time not played combat roles worthy of being placed in a context like that of a game. However, it was an interesting discussion regards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Bersaglieri in the Western Desert with Solothurn! http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=760&d=1180244707 Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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