dieseltaylor Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581.html Sort of encapsulates the world where business and politics, and the making of money, trumps decent behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 So how did Rumsfeld get Aspartame approved by the UK Food Standards Agency, the European Food Safety Authority and Health Canada? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 he's eeeeeevul 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 Let me see - how did the approvals go ... US approval 1981 Canada 1981 UK 1982 EU Aspartame has been authorised for use in foods and as a table-top sweetener by several Member States since the 1980s. The European legislation harmonised its use in foodstuffs in 1994. The politics of what Rumsfeld did is the point of the piece in it perverted a system. Secondary must be the actual validity of the decision. However what is interesting that nobody seems to be doing tests on what happens when you mix the new drugs etc now available. Systemic flaw? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 Just in passing this came up on the BBC today and shows, in passing, that as is reasonably well-known but generally ignored, not all people react the same. Pain management consultant Dr Chris Wells says ibuprofen is a useful drug that helps about a third of people who take it, and reduces their pain by about 50%. "It is important for a minority of patients with rheumatoid arthritis and osteoarthritis," he says. "It's also a good drug for minor acute injuries, sprained ankles, minor burns, and saves people going to the GP [general practitioner]." But he also has concerns about ibuprofen and its side effects. "It's my belief that it would not get an over-the-counter licence today - but neither would aspirin." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 As a kid I used to make a homemade Kettlerian chewing gum from sweetners and blu-tac ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy#Internet_hoax_conspiracy_theory Internet hoax conspiracy theory An elaborate health scare, involving a hoax conspiracy theory disseminated on many Internet websites, attributes a host of deleterious medical effects to aspartame. This theory claims that the FDA approval process of aspartame was tainted and cites as its source an email based upon a supposed talk by a "Nancy Markle" (whose existence has never been confirmed) at a "World Environmental Conference." Specifically, the hoax websites allege that aspartame is responsible for multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, and methanol toxicity, causing "blindness, spasms, shooting pains, seizures, headaches, depression, anxiety, memory loss, birth defects" and death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 Lets be honest about this. We know that medical companies suppress unfavourable research, and that science evolves and what is fine in one era is deadly in another. So I for one do not believe in absolute "safeness" of anything. Look at thalidomide as a drug that has been lauded, dammed and now has a practical use. But then there is Teflon and a 20 year hiding of adverse results by DuPont. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/29/business/main1083164.shtml Chemicals in the body may have unintended or unmeasured consequences. And who wants to carry out lots and lots of experiments with combinations of chemicals that people might be ingesting? Certainly not a company trying to sell a new product. Ultimately science will get things wrong and right but when you allow business to pervert the processes and accelerate the introduction of new foods/drugs then that is a bad reflection on the society. PS Wicky - you could have at least quoted the guys in the white hats going to work for the black hats so often. Even if it gives the impression that people are being paid-off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Lets be honest about this. Why would you want to start now? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Why would you want to start now? :confused: Me? I think you misunderstand my request. I am asking for all writers to be honest. I am already : ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 At least if you so wish you can avoid eating aspartame. That's always been the case as it must be labelled. Certainly it is impossible to test every combination of factors, and I think many people would be surprised just how flimsy the research can be behind the longer term health effects of medicines and food additives. Long term studies are very expensive to do and controlling for just about everything someone does in their life is near impossible. And it is true that in many cases some vested interests are fighting their own propaganda war. The only one of these sort of things I'm really against is water fluoridation, because you cannot avoid it and it is not really necessary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I suggest some of you start researching the FDA GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) List and investigate substances chosen at random from same . What you find will shock you, and these are the approved products! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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