Roosevelt45(the 2nd)

He sure wasn't talking to me, I already expressed my disgust for Leopold the 2nd's treatment of the Congolese(and Boudewijn's support of the Mobutu regime afterwards). So JJR, is Europe full of commies or Nazi's? because you seem to be calling us both. Strange, I never realised that there were 2 other Belgians on this forum, I always thought I was alone .

Kurt,my fellow combatant for the righs of the great Belgian Empire ,Where are you from exactly?

1.THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS THE BELGIAN EMPIRE, yes, leopold the 2nd was an ass, a dictator, does that mean all belgians are? 2.yes, some Belgians fought in the Whermacht, does that mean all Belgians are Nazi's?? I remember some pictures and a film of American citizens greeting the Nazi-flag, at some sort of camp(camp Rambo? ),When the war started they were 'observed' by the FBI. At least we punished our collaborators as soon as we had the chance, your just went free. 3.We DID NOT get any colony from Germany, we annexed a part of Germany, do you really think you know Belgian history better than a Belgian?? They teach us this stuff at high school. 4.Amsterdam??you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. 5.I wasn't defending Saddam at all. Like I said before, I have Iraqui neighbours and they didn't move because of the war but way earlier than that,because of Saddam.In the Beginning of the war they were quite enthousiastic about it, but now they don't know what happened to their family.The Mother of the family is worried sick about her two sons that worked as doctors in a hospital in Baghdad.I don't hate America, I just think you handled this entirely the wrong way and for the wrong reasons, it's a mistake, just like Congo was until 1902(and after that).

The Belgian Empire?? :confused: What empire??, We're a monarchy. We had Congo,which is nothing to be proud of since we were actually worse than the French and the British in our treatment of the locals,before king Leopold died(finally, old bastard) that is. After that the situation became more human but still nothing to be proud of. I think this nation you speak of is only interested in the oil of 'poor Iraq' and in getting their troops in the MidEast to scare the other Islamic nations.

-US intervention during WW1: a decisive factor. -US intervention during WW2 : THE decisive factor,though I agree with Sirocco that the Russians would have defeated the germans without American aid as well.But that would have taken countless of lives and the war would have been a lot longer. -Cold War :No Cold War without the US.

Do you call everybody who doesn't agree with you a NAZI?

JJR,I'm happy that I was born in Europe. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. At the moment I'm writing this, I am still shocked by your remark that we would throw Jews into ovens,That was 60 years ago, it were only the Germans doing it, and we are still paying the price for it. That's why Europeans aren't as nationalistic as Americans, because we know that nationalism easily leads to fascism. I don't want to insult you(anymore), But you need to know that I would rather have all of my teeth ejected than support your troops that have stopped fighting for freedom a long time ago.

mwoooeeeehahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'm sorry, I know I said I wouldn't react anymore but this is just too funny. JJR, you don't know **** about me, I am neither anti-american or pro-nazi. If you ask anyone who knows me for longer than one hour wether I'm one of both, they'll tell you that I'm probably the last person in Belgium who still has some faith in the US, and I HATE nazis, I can't understand why you don't realise that by blindly supporting your government, you're doing exactly the same thing that brought the NAZI's to power in Germany. I don't get you JJR, you say your family fought against the confederation during the civil war and against the NAZI's during WW2, so why do you sound like a confederated fascist(now it's my turn to insult people) @liam, and you don't think any Belgians died in the threnches?? Since we seem to be using our ancestors to win this discussion: My great grandfathers both survived the threnches and my grand father fought in the army in 1940 and afterwards joined the resistance together with my grandmother And I also see the flaws in spitting on the US,I wans't doing that, I was defending Europe, have any of you actually been there?? Did everyone look like 'the sons of misfits and girly-men'?? p.s.: No, Rambo ,I haven't spoken to any South-Corean, but I have some Iraqui neighbours, want me to go ask them how thrilled they are to be rid of Saddam?? hmmmm?

JJ,I apologise for getting off topic again, because that's what I'm about to do. This was it :mad: ,This son of a misfit and a girly-man cannot believe that anyone can have such prejudices(or whatever you call it,I'm to offended and angry to be minding my language right now), so you will no longer be bothered by my 'ingrateful' complaints(I'm sorry, so you helped us in WW2, please go on and kill whoever you like, I mean we are supposed to be nothing more than some slave states after we WON a war, right?) It is absolutely RIDICULOUS to say an entire continent is 'old'. What do you think?, that all Europeans are going to be born demented with beards?The whole 'Europe is old'-thing was invented by the current(helas) US government because we refused to help you in Iraq And btw,Liam my country(Belgium) was neutral upto WW1 and had neutrality as a strict policy upto WW2, so we weren't dominated by any major country. I would also like to remind you that the US joined those wars out of self-preservation and not because they gave a damn about those poor Koreans,Vietnamese or Taiwanese. P.S.: we DID have troops in Korea. I will still buy SC2 but will not join in any discussions anymore except if I really need to know something.

Seawolf, piss off! I just want you to know that I think you're absolutely deluded about Europe and our attitude towards the US.

Than you,JJ. I'll try to stay on topic.

What is the problem with the French here?!?

Why the hell would Europeans be jealous of your prosperity?? The Western European nations are just as rich if not richer as the US. and btw, I have found American citizens to treat people a lot better than their government does. It's not an American thing, all goverments do this. A nation is not it's people,a government often does things the population doesn't agree with or even doesn't know of. And you have to remember that the different ethnic,religious,political,... groups of a population almost never agree with each other, so America can never stand for its entire population. But this really doesn't matter for me since I like most americans and the country itself, I just hate Bush(sr.,jr.) [ September 02, 2004, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Roosevelt45(the 2nd) ]

Don't forget the Russians and the British .

JJR, be tolerant for once. It's not because you believe something is true that everyone in this forum has to believe that too.I believe that the inquisition ended some time ago.

Héhé, welcome to Europe,Avatar. I hope you'll like it here,does it rain more Germany than in Canada btw? never been there before, I'm afraid. I know this sounds cruel but I think that if there is a god he did a pretty good job by letting Hitler live. I mean, just look at the enormous positive changes that happened after WW2. Decolonization,voting right for women and black people. WW2 was needed to shake the world up and to serve as a warning for the future, to show us what humanity is capable of doing to its own race and planet.

I agree, except for the god-part. Where was god in 1939 or 1940? Where was god when Hitler survived all those assasination attempts(Von Stauffeberg conspiracy,operation Foxley,..),Where was god during the German elections of 1933??And I could go on for a while lie that and not just about WW2.

The Krauts lost,no matter how long they waited to invade Russia or no matter what technology they could have used, they still would have lost the war. 1. You can't defeat the 4 most powerful nations in the world united. 2. Nazism is wrong. Not only morally but it's just not correct. So any man who isn't in it for the power or the money and has a well-functioning brain will stand up to them, inevitably leading to their defeat.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me,Retributar. I'm sorry that I didn't read the entire thread but I'm very busy at the moment and only have a few minutes a day to check personal e-mails,send e-mails and of course take a look a the development of my future favorite game .

Mussolini said to hitler that his country wouldn't be ready to join the war until 1942. Though he said that because he wanted to wait and see how the Germans did first(They joined when they saw France was getting its ass kicked)I think this was pretty much a good evaluation of the Italian army and economy at that point.

I apologise, but I wasn't accusing anyone. I just asked what this thread has to do with the game? :confused:

I don't know what this discussion has to do with the game but if the proposition is to include all this things is in the game as weapons or as tech, I think it's bull****. If I want a sf strategy game I'll buy one, if I want a WW2 TBS game, I'll buy SC2 (I get a smile on my face only thinking about SC2,Does anyone know a good psy btw?).

As an option I hope

Eeeeeuhh.... Denmark isn't a city . I think and hope you meant Copenhagen. p.s.:You can't ban Rambo, my faith in humanity might return if you do. Besides,he's hilarious.

Actually, thinking of WWII era American tanks as "the best" is one of the funniest things I have heard in a very long time. I suspect this comment was an attempt at humor. That is the only possible explanation save for ignorance on a wholesale scale. </font>