DEY

Now that's a land battleship http://www.track-link.net/gallery/119 http://www.militarydiecast.com/forum.asp?id=109 http://www.militarydiecast.com/forum.asp?id=112

Here some more panther links for any one interested. It's certain what and where that above turret is. http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/newspress0801.html http://members.tripod.com/~dietmagic/panther3copy.html http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40260

Okay I guess there was two turrets equipped with 75mm guns manufactured and these were fitted to two Panther Ausf-G's. That one above must be the one in the Tank Museum in Bovington,England, where it was taken after being used as a target on the Larkhill firing range. I thought the gun seemed a bit small for an 88. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/eschmalt.html Here is another interesting page at the same site. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/2930/pzpanther/pzpanther-Schmalturm.html [ April 29, 2005, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: DEY ]

I came across these pics today on usenet. I've never seen these pics of this AFV before. And I sure as hell have never seen the below pic before, I was under the impression that there never was a panther II turret manufactured. This one is not only been made but from the looks of it, has seen more then a little action. One can't help but wonder if indeed there was a completed panther II made after all and the tank was knocked out through destroying the turret. Then afterwords the destroyed turret was replaced with a panther I turret. Food for thought anyway. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panth2.htm

Here is a wip screenie.

My guess is that since this notebook is designed with the nvidia video that this is the branded name of the dell oem driver, and hence is the proper driver. I admit I've been outa this bloody business for a couple of years but I never heard tell of a laptop let alone a notebook that you change something like the video in it. Things like that were hard soldered on the motherboard because all the components where designed to work together and the configurations couldn't be changed because of that. It's very likely that now a clean install of windows is your best bet, you likely have windows so screwed up from moving too and from different hardware and uninstalling and reinstalling different drivers and mucking around with directx, etc.

I have MikeyD's grey versions done as well. Plus I've been working on a look for his lend-lease russian sherman M4A276

I second that.

Okay the grey one is in this Whitewashed_German_Grey_AGs_CMMOS_hr Numbered 58240-58255 At this link, http://www.combatmission.com/cmmos/Winterfahrzeuge/Winterfahrzeuge2.htm And the yellow one is also in that one I mentioned above. It's numbered 158240-158255

I found this site several days ago, a lot of the links seem to be dead, which seems to be the growing trend with the internet these days. I'm sure your likely well aware of this place though. http://france1940.free.fr/en_index.html#BEF

I assume you mean the jagdpanzer IV, if you have cmbo and and have a whitewashed jagdPz IV for it, the cmbo bmp numbers are 13380-13387, just renumber them 53380-53387 for cmbb. The only one I can think of at the moment is in a Gorden Moleks cmmos pack: Whitewashed_German_Yellow_AGs_1_CMMOS_hr. At this link, http://www.combatmission.com/cmmos/Winterfahrzeuge/Winterfahrzeuge1.htm Just crop off the _ww off the end of the number if you aren't using the cmmos mod manager.

Here is some info on the br-354 ammo types, there are also some drawings in gif form. http://www.weapon.df.ru/ammo/76mm/ This site has a lot of interesting stuff on many russian ammo types, not just WWII though. http://www.geocities.com/russianammo/57mm.html#29

Here is some interesting comments on PENETRATION VS. ARMOR BASICS from Matrix games. http://spwaw.com/lholttg/penetration.htm

I found this article on the US M3 halftrack, 75mm Gun Motor Carriage. Maybe there is few that hasn't seen this before. http://www.chars-francais.net/kithobbyist/m3gmc2.htm Has some nice pics also.

The armor of the Tiger I was not well sloped, but it was thick. Here is where many fail to understand that, in terms of World War II tank warfare, thickness is a quality in itself, since armor resistance is mainly determined by the ratio between armor thickness and projectile diameter (T/d). The T/d relationship regarding armor penetration demonstrates that the more the thickness of the armor plate overmatches the diameter of any incoming armor piercing round, the harder it is for the projectile to achieve a penetration. On the other side, the greater the diameter of the incoming projectile relatively to the thickness of the armor plate which it strikes, the greater the probability of penetration. This explains why the side armor of the Tiger I, being 80 mm thick, was so difficult to be penetrated at combat ranges by most Allied anti-tank and tank guns, whose calibers were overmatched by the thickness of the Tiger I armor. The quality of the armor was another major asset of the Tiger I, and it can't be emphasized enough that the Tiger I was a very special kind of Panzer, since it had the best quality of everything, compared to any other German tank. The rolled homogeneous nickel-steel plate, electro-welded interlocking-plate construction armor had a Brinell hardness index of 255-260 (the best homogeneous armor hardness level for WW II standards), and rigorous quality control procedures ensured that it stayed that way. The Tiger I's armor was much superior to that of, for example the Panther, which armor had a much higher Brinell index, and consequently, was very brittle. The Tiger, as a side effect from the usage of this special armor, also was a very expensive and resource consuming tank. Now the question is, has BFC modeled any special consideration in the regard of the unique armor of the Tiger 1 in the game. Another fact that helped the Tigers a lot was the "shatter gap" effect which affectted allied ammunition, a most unusual situation where rounds with too high an impact velocity would sometimes fail even though their penetration capability was (theoretically) more than adequate. This phenomenon plagued the British 2 pounder in the desert, and would have decreased the effectiveness of U.S. 76mm and 3" guns against Tigers, Panthers and other vehicles with armor thickness above 70 mm. It should be noted that the problems with the 76 mm and 3" guns did not necessarily involve the weapons themselves: the noses of US armor-piercing ammunition of the time turned out to be excessively soft. When these projectiles impacted armor which matched or exceeded the projectile diameter at a certain spread of velocities, the projectile would shatter and fail. Penetrations would occur below this velocity range, since the shell would not shatter, and strikes above this range would propel the shell through the armor whether it shattered or not. When striking a Tiger I driver's plate, for example, this "shatter gap" for a 76mm APCBC M62 shell would cause failures between 50 meters and 900 meters. These ammunition deficiencies proved that Ordnance tests claiming the 76 mm gun could penetrate a Tiger I's upper front hull to 2,000 yards (1,800 meters) were sadly incorrect. As a general rule, BHN (Brinell Hardness Index) effects, shot shatter, and obliquity effects are related to the ratio between shot diameter and plate thickness. The relationship is complex, but a larger projectile hitting relatively thinner plate will usually have the advantage. There is an optimum BHN level for every shot vs plate confrontation, usually in the 260-300 BHN range for World War Two situations. Below that, the armor is too soft and resists poorly, above that, the armor is too hard and therefore too brittle. The 13.(Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the armor protection of the Tiger: "During a scouting patrol two Tigers encountered about 20 Russian tanks on their front, while additional Russian tanks attacked from behind. A battle developed in which the armor and weapons of the Tiger were extraordinarily successful. Both Tigers were hit (mainly by 76.2 mm armor-piercing shells) 10 or more times at ranges from 500 to 1,000 meters. The armor held up all around. Not a single round penetrated through the armor. Also hits in the running gear, in which the suspension arms were torn away, did not immobilize the Tiger. While 76.2 mm anti-tank shells continuously struck outside the armor, on the inside, undisturbed, the commander, gunner, and loader selected targets, aimed, and fired. The end result was 10 enemy tanks knocked out by two Tigers within 15 minutes" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.). Info from this site, http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm there are also some Penetration Table's from a JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; ISBN 0-7643-0225-6 source.

The following description is available from the Public Archives of Canada: CANADIAN SCHOOL OF ARTILLERY (OVERSEAS) BULLETIN NO.5 – APPENDIX "B-5" GERMAN HEAVY TANK Pz.Kw VI. The following is a report by the US Army Observer on the Tunisian Front. The first of the new German Heavy tanks to be destroyed in this theatre was accounted for by 6-pdrs (57mm) of the [unnamed] Antitank Bn. (British). The emplaced 6-pdrs opened fire at an initial range of 680 yards. The first round hit the upper side of the tank at very acute angles and merely nicked the armor. As the tank moved nearer it turned in such a manner that the third and fourth shots gouged out scallops of armor, the fifth shot went almost through and the next three rounds penetrated completely and stopped the tank. The first complete penetration was at a range of 600 yards, at an angle of impact of 30 degrees from normal, through homogeneous armor 82-mm (approximately 3-1/2 inches) thick. Ammunition used was the 57mm AP semi AP solid shot. The ability to destroy a Tiger I from other than the front is described in a wartime report from the 7th Armored Division while in Belgium in December of 1944: While northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern section had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been was when an M8 armored car from "E" Troop destroyed a Tiger tank. The armored car had been in a concealed position at right angles to run along a trail in front of the MLR. As the tank passed the armored car, the M8 slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on the armored car. It was a race between the Americans who were attempting to close so that their puny 37-mm would be effective in the Tiger’s "Achilles heel" (its thin rear armor), and the Germans who were desperately striving to bring their "88" to bear … Suddenly, the M8 had closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in 3 rounds… the lumbering Tiger stopped, shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which bellowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position. Dennis Riva, a fellow tank buff, remembers the wartime story of an M5A1 light tank veteran, whose vehicle came across a Tiger II tank traveling in a ravine between two small hills. The light tank was quickly moved onto the rise paralledl and above the Tiger. The crew of the light tank then fired four to five rounds of 37mm ammo into the Tiger’s thin upper rear engine deck. As the smoke started to pour out of the Tiger’s engine the German crew took flight. A Soviet view of the capture of their first Tiger tank is recounted in an extract from an article by the military historian Dr. Giuseppe Finizio: In Romanovsky’s [A Soviet Lieutenant General] version published for the first time in Operatsiya Iskra (Spark), Lenizdat 1973 and reprinted in Leningrad Does Not Surrender by N. Kislitsyn and V. Zubakov, Progress, 1989): "I was informed that an unusual enemy tank was moving through the corridor. Our light guns fired at it, but even direct hits could not stop the heavy, obviously strongly armoured vehicle. The German tank was heading for Schusselburg and at the time our 18th Infantry Division was approaching the road. The tank came under heavy direct fire. The shells did not cause dameage, but the driver, evidently taking fright, turned off the road and tried to get away towards Sinyavino. As it turned, the tank got stuck in a peat bog. And that’s how the Soviets captured their first Tiger tank… with just infantry!

Hi Zim: I found a cmak whitewashed early jagdpanzer I was working on back around the same time as I did the cmak WW marders. I was able too more or less finish it up with some of the more lacking graphic software I have running at the moment. Would you be interested in hosting this mod for now.

Great looking mods patboy, we have a real good winterizing modder in the community now. Though I don't quite understand why this is posted here and not in the BB forum.

The site seems to be back up now.

This would appear to be the only other one I can find. You appear to have been a busy lad Patboy, looking forward to seeing that stuff, in, hopefully the near future. Thanks David, but the hertzer and isu122 are really more along the lines of works in progress, but since I haven't any decent paint program at the moment, thats as far as I can go with them.

The same story for this su-152. I found this earlier attempt at a whitewashed look.

This is something I was experimenting with awhile back when I still had the trial version of PSP running, it's not very good but there is nothing more I can do at this time. Now comes the tricky part, I have it at a place called znail. So just go to http://www.znail.com/ Log on as, User: Duck Pass: nailedduck Then a liitle window should open up, here you click -select file to download- The only thing is that there is a very limlted download per day.

Even more for the hell of it I tried that test without Tungsten, but only regular AT ammo. The tactic for the russians seemed to be to shoot at the Tiger with mostly HE ammo though with a odd AP round here and there. The Tiger killed one of the front corner T34's and was turning around to face that rear T34 at the 560 meter distance as it was turning it was immoblized from the HE being fired at it and was setting with it's side exposed to the other front corner T34 at 528 meters away and the rear corner T34 at 560 meters away. There was a penetration on the Tiger by I believe from that 560 meter away rear corner T34. The Tiger crew abandoned the tank.

I just run a little test for the hell of it. Placed an Early Tiger in the middle of a map facing in an easternly direction, placed four T34-m43's in each corner. The two front corner T34's where at a distance of 528 and 502 meters from the Tiger, the two rear corner T34's where at 516 and 560 meters from the Tiger. The T34's where given only Tungsten AT ammo. As would be expected the two eastern T34's where killed, but as the Tiger was killing them the two rear T34's where getting penetrations on the Tiger and as the Tiger was turning around to face the rear T34 that was at the 516 meter distance from the Tiger, it left it's side wide open to the other rear corner T34 at the 560 meter distance which achieved several penetrations on it finally killing the Tiger as it tried to turn around to face it after the other T34 at 516 meters backed off the map.

The below links should help understand these tanks a bit more. http://www.geocities.com/nasenoviny/ChallengerEN.html http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/britisharmor.html