cool breeze

the Fighting Seabee, Thanks for the advice. I am recently religious and will probably keep it to myself. But I have some creative ideas for what I may do with my profits and think it possible but unlikely that making it correctly will soundly beat not making it in the worlds cost/benefit analysis. So I want to research. Your profile makes it sound like you may know a great deal of relevant information.... Thanks everyone for the change in tone. Sam P.S. Happy New Years!

Steve, I trust you and you are a professional expert. Do you want to find out what my powerful very creative invention is? I promise its worth your while. And it doesnt take long to explain. Peace, Sam Homo ferricus, With the AK I agree with you, but I think this is inherently different. To me the AK is a defensive weapon. It is personal weapons like these becoming widespread that will stop most war by preventing occupation. Tank protecting is fundamentally different because MBTs are are the worlds most awesome ground based killers and are very much offensive weapons. And the arguments keep going back and forth in my head. Especially until recently. I got tired of thinking about it and finally eased off.

I thought prototypes werent required for patents. I have read some of the patent for an motionless electromagnicic generator, basicaly a free energy machine claimed to be about the size of a old vcr and produced 5 kilowatts for a vry long time. I am under the impression I can get a patent with a detailed drawing of my device and variations of it with components listed by function. So you can protect trade secrets by using a box on the diagram that tells what the part does, instead of how it works and how it is built. The patent is is therefore a specific arrangement of a combination of functional objects. All versions resulting from different components are still protected by the patent. Is this how patents work? Thank you, Peace, Sam

I want this thread not locked. Im not replying to insults anymore.

You are a dumb ass and maybe havent read what I have said. I cant take it to them and it doesnt make atgms obsolete. It makes many of them substantially less effective. I know some people here know a **** load about the ballance of powers and I thought they might give me a list of countries that are protecting substantial resources with a defense based mainly on ATGMs. A list of countries that have serious hatreds between neighbooring countries where one country has plenty tanks and the other country relies on ATGMs to protect themselves. I have the impression that when the winner of a war has lots of tanks there are probably fewer deaths than otherwise because tanks are so asymmetric and because tanks are precision direct fire weapons as opposed to indirect fire, so they seem like they would reduce collateral damage. How much is this true. quote "WTF do you want from us?" As I stated earlier I want lame asses like you who are not talking about my topic off my topic. I didnt ask for the forums help, I asked for some experts from the forum to offer me help. read asshole.

If attention is why I am here I would tell everybody what it is instead of being made fun of all day. If I wanted to be insulted disregarded and disrespected I would have made very different claims. I am going to spend many many more hours researching the questions I came here for and would really appreciate some experts pointing me in the right direction.

Any idea how I should start researching to figure out possible implications of me being right about my claims?

Its always been interesting, now there is too much stress.

Wicky, Thanks for the help. Im not worried about having trouble getting money for development. I think that will be easy, not taking many years even if Im slow. and If I did that show the bad guys would know it too. Cheers, Sam

FlamingKnives, would Javelins not working without extra support matter much to USA casualties? I mean in case Iran found out about the secret project too soon.

IMPORTANT Its no where near invulnerable or undefeatable, just very useful. It only helps in certain common conditions and coordination beats it soundly in most of them too. Unless a huge war breaks out Im pretty sure it wont save more than 200 tankers ever. Do tanks do more harm than good? In the possible wars that may break out what will the effect be of having tanks at long range being substantially more protected than current? Will more or fewer civilians be killed? Soldiers? what wars may it change the victor of? What wars may it incite? These are the questions that have been stressing much the last few months. How does may this effect use and control of resources. I'm not saying any of this will happen, but I can only save so many lives with the millions I may get for this, so I need some kind of idea what the consequences may be. I don't think this will effect any of your lives, but even very modest changes in war can be very important to thousands of people.

FlamingKnives I want to release it secretly to USA but worry about things like it making USA leaders want to attack Iran with there secret ATGM nerfing system. Or other ways America may use it for evil and control (not defense). I love America but do not trust our leaders at all. Thank you for the feedback and help.

My invention doesn't work against guided bombs or DPICM. It can be defeated by teamwork, which the west has in abundance. Its not particularly good with RPGs. Im really not wanting to discuss the invention here, I want someone who will tell me what would happen if I am completely right about my inventions effects. If nations could upgrade there entire tank force in a few months to be highly resistant to atgms, what may happen. How would it effect possible major wars America could become involved in is very important too. And, Why shouldn't I sell it to everyone when everyone will get it If I sell it at all.

This topic isn't supposed to be about technology and armor, it is about world affairs and power struggle and help.

Can you lame asses get off my topic, I explained that I am very serious, making you assholes who clearly don't know what you are talking about.

I just thought of a solution do some of your disbelief. If the forum convinces me a weapons expert who wants to hear about my idea is completely trust worthy I will tell him and he can vouche for me so the world situation experts take me seriously. Another matter is I dont know how to tell him while distrusting the security of electronic communication But Im sure I can figure something out. Maybe you live in the SF Bay area ?

It is not jusst relevant to insugent, a I esxampled, Lebanon just successfully fended off a invasion thanks to atgms. This works against KE heat and explosively formed penetrators (KE I Guess). It would help against HE too. No, it is not an active motion shooting shotgun, those are being made by two sources already. I cant take this to a defense contractor yet because people break non discloser agreement all the time. I appreciate the interest. This is an idea that wouldn't be thought of by those who would see its importance or do anything with it (well, it took a while).

It doesn't make sense that I would rather look for someone to trust from a land of strangers when I frequent a land with experts I have observed for years. You are right that I have not thought this through completely, I am not even an amateur global power researcher, I don't even know where to start. I don't think I am really smart enough to figure out If this is something I should do. I believe in getting expert help instead of becoming a expert in every area that would help me. edit spelling

I haven't researched John Kettler at all. I cant tell you about it 'cause then it would be public, so I tell you its effects. It wont radically change war in the long term, just tactics somewhat. America will still wreck in the over seas fights our leader choose. Normal Dude, where do you suggest I find experts who may help me probono to analyze the consequences of something that cheaply makes ATGMs substantially less effective against tanks? Ive been coming to this forum for years and I think I can trust some of you.

Lots of people whos responses I wanted had already seen my post and passed over it without response, hopefully because they want more time to think. So, I put in the first things I thought which might make them take a closer look. Im really not interested in people doubting my claims without even knowing what we are talking about. Instead of intelligent I should have written " I am a creative and analytical thinker. I am talented at looking at issues from many angles and doing thorough pros and cons lists. I am creative and good at brain storming and believe my analysis of the countermeasures this will initiate was good." I started especially likeing John Kettler when he linked us to page 405? of David Rockefellers Memoir. From what I have learned there is no grounds for doubting that new world order plans are a factor that definately could effect the consequences of my actions. Even a small chance is very worth serious consideration to me for my conscience. Since conspiracy theories are usually disregarded by people and because John Kettler is the only one Ive heard mention big conspiracies and I like how he write, I mention him. You wont think of my idea so you dont know if it is good.

I especially like the BFC staff, JasonC, John Kettler, M1A1TC, but I don't know who the experts are. I may after council tell someone what my idea is. I Like a lot of others too, those were the names that came to mind. I like most people here. [ December 28, 2007, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: cool breeze ]

By quite hard to counter I mean it is a totally creative new approach that will be a important part of the counter counter counter measures we have and It will continue to evolve and will probably still effect tactics for generations. edited spelling.

If Ron Paul is elected president I will be so happy to release it secretly to America Id cry.

I think this is quite hard to counter and believe it would make most current atgm systems near useless against tanks and I understand that many nations primary anti tank defense is atgms, so I believe extensive research is required before I consider releasing this because of the small chance a war may break out because I destabalized things. I imaging many nations have invested considerable capital in their atgm based defenses and worry in may be hard for them to buy a new defense. I only want to do this if I am pretty sure I will make the world a better place by doing it and using the proceeds carefuly.Also, since America has a very small fraction of the worlds tanks and my reason for making this is to make money for good, I would prefer making money selling it to the world IF it would do no harm. I am a patriot and it may ruin my life if more Americans are killed because of this. Wars would be more cheaply engaged and more easily and more likely won by the more tanked attacker because of this. Maybe Israel would be occupying Lebanon if I had invested and released this sooner. This is so much more important than anything that ive done it is overwhelming. im only 21.

I invented an effective cheap light weight low tech defense for tanks and some AFVs against ATGMs cannon and guided artillery. It would be easily copied and make make many current weapons systems obsolete, including many nations main tank defenses. It is especially effective vs top attack weapons like our javelin, Israels Spike and India's Nag, direct fire ATGMs and guided artillery. The top attack ones will be pretty much obsolete against upgraded tanks and it may be a long time before they will work again. It may permanently shift the power from people to governments and from poor countries to militant rich countries by permanently nerfing ATGMs. I want some expert advice on implications and likely results of patenting this idea and making a bunch of money to help the world with. Sincerely, Sam Lefevre Edited to ad, P.S. I am intelligent and have researched weapons systems and have been thinking about this a lot for months. added some more details too. By low tech I mean easily developed by a knowledgeable company. Some aspects would bee developed for a long time. I mean it would be easily copied. [ December 28, 2007, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: cool breeze ]