Liam

First ended by Surrender in 1944, I couldn't beat him was a good game Liam Allies Second Game as follows: Poland fell, couple of turns, 2nd turn DOW on Denmark... taken Weather bogged down France, I shipped out Med French Corps didn't garrison with Brits and Italians entered in '39 Took Germany and Italy till September '40 to take France. I killed off 1 German army, did some vile damage on 4 or 5 Staple German Units... missed a kill by a few strength points Rambo starting hammering the Royal Navy, odd... I spotted a Sub, Level2!!! End of France, Egypt is left alone, I kill 2 Axis corps there. However 3 or 4 Level 3 German subs show up and start whacking the Royal Navy in port! a Whole 10 strength UK Battleship is destroyed. I am trying to escape, after about a year of this, 5-6 UK Capitol ships scrap metal no rebuilding those! Jesus! I cannot even shoot these puppies out of the water, they dive from every attack... Along with Kriegsmarine, UK is out of the match Meanwhile, Axis DOW late Greece and Norway and Russia is in the 70s for war... Egypt is still firmly Axis yes, and we haven't lost every UK Ship, but these subs are inhuman. They've killed 4 outta 5 of my ships in Port... I think ASW is going to be a bit late to do much good and the fact is two raiders are out killing all that Supply Tonage to the Isles... I'm dead in the water as UK but Russia will have something to say about this 1941 Spring

The suicidal actions of a nation aren't farfetched, when you're pushed to the brink you do fight to the death, it's just the experience a unit recieves needs to be increased. I'd say to solve the issue in the two cases of Poland and France where it matters....perhaps Turkey, Finland, Spain and Sweden in the boot as well... If you kill units in these nations attached to an HQ, on defense or offense you recieve an Experience Bonus for killing first rate nation units. If you Kami Say a Germany army 5 Xs..... maybe you give him 3 or 4 Bars, you'll rethink your strategy and just give up by that point you ought to anyways you're beaten no? Not just give it's HQ a bonus too... If you threw a half million men at a Firing Squad, I'm certian they'd become Elite as for tech it is VERY TOUCHY Jesus, those pluses and bonuses are hard to beat. Although what would a King Tiger with say a Fuel truck, air support had dished out say in 1940 France? No more through say the Maginot, not much up a Mountain or through a Marsh..so so through a Forest Perhaps cutting back Tank Mobility as they get bigger would be wiser, forcing a person to invest both in Mobility and Heavy Armor? The bigger the tanks became, the more they need assistance moving along...they lost mobility and gained firepower. That's why many Mark IVs were used to the end of the War as a Staple German Armor...and for Tank Killers, there is no real Tank Killer... Airplanes were better than infantry at that but our fighters don't have anti-tank capabilities? do they Stukas, P40s and Sturmoviks probably killed more tanks than Anti-Tank Guns after 1942

LORDY cheating at Strategic Command? Why not just begin Monopoly with 5 Billion underneath the table? Just say screw it Pathetic and boring. I want competition not a set winner I'll turn off FOW for myself and still beat a cheater..they suck that bad they need to use FOW

Yes, You have the Money I had the tactics although One cannot say your Eastern Front was a poorly foughght campaign. You retreated to the right locations, you gave way then with reserves crushed the Spearheads and then came in with superior land techs and production... I suppose my error was, I should've spent another 5 ground units and ignored my Airforce, some areas of tech and focused on crushing Moscow in 1942 along with Stalingrad. I was within 3 or 4 hexes of all my objectives, just a few units short...supply and weather slowed me but was not the only factor. I have learned. And D-Day and this game is relatively historical.......all over if you look it is... N.Africa is in Scandanavia. Russia repelled the Germans pretty much by '43 into '44... Western Airforce with Land Dominates by the Summer '44.... Game should end roughly around 1946... However if D-day is repelled it'll be up to the Reds to do the dirty work, sad thing is though I've killed as many Reds as Reds have killed Greys, you can replace them I cannot

Bahhh, Tag... I know but about history, likely better than yourself. They fought the Nazis because of the harshness and cruelty of the Regime though many wouldn't have and I know for certian Ukrainians didn't have much love for Mother Russia nor did Baltic Nations they in fact were Likely all but Allied to Germany...look at the contrast of the Slavs vs the Western Europeans in resisting the Germans, and the treatment. As Germans treated slavs poorly and saw them as a lesser race I suppose that's what they get but this is a game and on a Strategic Level can't I adopt my own Politics Racially even? LOL guess no so you shouldn't bring it up......had the Regime been a bit more merciful. Who says that my Regime has to be merciless and to be quite frank were the Soviets any better than the Germans? They only killed Political Prisoners or UnDesirables? LOL They murdered more than the Germans they just kept it under Wraps from the West and your History TextBook. Regardless... how many Waffens were Norwegian, Dutch, French, Ukrainian, Finnish, Swedish, Spanish, even bloody American Germans? Likely more than the Partisans presented in the game. Shouldn't Germany get a Waffen SS Boost?

Alright here is the final skinny as me and John approach our 1944 (4 total nights of play) The USA and UK are pounding France from the Air, there is at least 8-9 ground fighters-Bombers and both carriers wreak havoc in the West. Benelux is Liberated then changes hands. Italians mixed with a small contingent Germans kill 2 Allied Corps there. The Western Allies plan for an all out invasion of France, Weather goes bad in late '43 and through '44...they're bogged down. In Russia we slug it out over Moscow in 1944! Weather destroys the German offensive after final Tech breakthroughs way too late to do any good. War is likely over We're outproduced likely 4 to 1....but death totals match on the Western front 1 for 1 with inferior quality units until JUST NOW game is doomed Russia is level3 tanks, level2 fighters...but we fight on...hoping to stalemate and see 1945 still Paris ours and Moscow threatened

You're wrong, in some areas. Terif beat you because he bled you dry in Egypt, that's why you lost. Also he had wonderful tech in Russia. You will suffer for the first Winter, but you have to pull back, rally and prepare for the next Summer offensive. In my current game vs Rambo, no different than yours, I'm so far behind in tech it's not even funny, it wasn't till '43 that I achieved on par tech with a nation that's supposed to start behind Germany in all categories. Germany Had Panzer Mark IIIs in use in France in '40, even some Mark IVs... yet starts with only Panzers IIs this needs to be corrected, for the whole game I had Panzer IIs till the last 6 months... I've endured and successfully assualted Russia 3 seperate Summers. Granted I should have been able to, it's Rambo's inexperience that has allowed me this. Though he did get lucky with Tech.. and I didn't invest enough early enough. I invested just "some" thinking it was enough and not in the right areas. I came in with a lot of Armor and a lot of Fighters and 5 HQs and I built up 10 plus Armies and I got my ass served to me by the First Winter... After that I never had the full Power of the Wermacht. The reason being, he had IW 3 in '42 and I IW1.....He also had more units than myself... Now UK had done so poorly that I have survived or else I'd be dead. Had I shot for Leningrad and taken Scandanavia the game would've shifted the other way likely. I learned. I did not wait I took Cairo, but if it costs you 500 or 750 MPPs in your case, likely all the Plunder you got France, Poland Norway Denmark and Benelux combined you will be in grave trouble. Someone will need to learn to perform a true Sea Lion in this case if the UK commits fully to Egypt What will you have left with bad weather in '40 France, as I did 5 months of it, then couldn't get to Egypt and in position till Winter...then boot out the UK by '41 Spring or Summer? How then will you kill Russia? Winter Effect in 1941 is really sucky, You lose all your Supply, you best retreat back before it hits.. I got that and Siberians lost just 2 units I believe... It's not so bad Russian Supply in SC2, in SC1 it was worse, there isn't so many partisans and you can link HQs to the depths of Russia..... I firmly believe I'd of killed of Rambo in Russia with Heavy Tanks and had I predicted the power of AWs...Plus I didn't organize my HQs, a little too jumpy.......Siberians were triggered on time all foolish Perhaps the Deal here should be, DATED 1941 Spring Egypt can be delayed instead of taken 1940 Egypt must Surrender to Axis If Sea Lion is undergone then well, who cares

Lastly: CAIRO, Not a good houserule I purpose this, if the MPPs are still going into UK pockets and the UK can hit and run with all it's firepower we do this.. UK cannot DOW Ireland or Portugal after USA/USSR Enters. Those are two gamey locations that are purely for more MPPs...

4 airfleets too much, I have to agree with Terif! I bought 5 in my game, and nevertheless I could use every 1 I'd rather of had that put into tech! Certianly I killed off say 5 or 8 extra Allied units in the East due to it and 3 or 4 in the West but ultimately I'm losing the game. I didn't think that 5 would be too much initially and I thought that I had plenty of Land Units till I started losing them and trying replace them. Airfleets are good to take cities in Russia and to defend France 4 airfleets max, 3 very very experienced ones... If USA joins in with an Air War perhaps more... The difference in my opinion with air is it also can strike land units but with amphibious units and without LR, your air on the coast is vulnerable to suicide corps or armies if you around a resource or port.. It's not the game it use to be! You can't hide as well as before but you still can. My biggest Error was that I didn't properly arrange my soldats I triggered Siberians too early and I didn't take Norway. I thought the free Iron Ore Shipments and the less RR and US R was better than the Country itself, foolish... I really could've used that barrier. Also foolish use of my Baltic fleet making the Baltic Vulnerable that at least you need if you do not goto Scandanavia.. and in this game Finland is very difficult to hold with a determined Ruskie. All and all in my game I'm approaching 1945 and France is still German and I'm 2 hexes from Moscow but the change is now this. I'm down to 1/2 the production of my opponent and I lagged long enough with Tech that abandoning the Russian Front means imminent Death.

Yes, I know how to use Rivers, Marshes, Forests, Cities as well... Russians are afraid to come out of hiding as they have experienced first hand what the Luftwaffe can do, 4 to 5 bars on Some LW Units. Spent a lot of time killing Armies in The Ithmus trying to defend Finland at least 5-6 Red Armies with all those expensive advancements have bitten it to Stukas. Though otherwise every engagement on Land, my Units are at a grave disadvantage. I have researched infantry weapons 2 but I have many tanks and they haven't earned 1 advancement with Germany in near 4 years... What gets me I know the Germans had the capability of Panzer3s in 1940 before France just not in production With Norway, Sweden and Finland in Allied hands as of about the time we quit last night I'm likely going to be suffering economically. It's quite possible that Germans hold out till 1945 but beyond that is a grave prospect, D-Day will not have a Massive Punch to it.

And if you look earlier in the posting I won't say I told you so see, I told you so

I'd have to say honestly, I was slightly ahead tactically in this game. I didn't know anymore than Rambo otherwise as I'd toyed with the Demo but overall Infantry and Anti-Tank Weapons on the Eastern Front have been a decided factor...

That pesky Manual, says all you need is 2 units on the russian border in both cities. That's why I keep getting RR climb on me. Hell BTW: Game sounded wild. You'd need an extra 7 months to recover from that Campaign in Egypt

Game Continues: 1942: Germany is booted from USSR, several German Armies are whacked, few corps as well... The Only thing going for the Germans is the Luftwaffe... Vichy: Surrenders to the Axis Finland: Surrenders after a prolonged battle and an entrenched German Tank is destroyed. Norway and Sweden: Are both invaded by the Allies, proving to the World who the real bad guy is, no real negative effect Diplomatically after I'd hit Vichy...Swiss just looming on the horizen nowhere near joining. Baltic: Denmark is liberated and the Tirptiz and and Bismark are sunk, but Italian fast acting Troops boot American and British Commands from Europe, Copenhagen held... USSR 1943: After the Dreadful Winter offensive Germany retreats with her superior Mobile Units away from Minsk and Kharkov... Leaving them open and the two mines in the South. Remarkably with our Elite Luftwaffe we manage to take Leningrad and inflict Heavy casualties in the North meanwhile far superior Red Army Units in the South keep crushing at Germany... D-Day Second time: Normandy breakout attempted, failed... Brest still in Allied hands USSR still has tech advantage level2 tanks, level3 infantry weapons, level2 antitank... This is making it particularly hard after a year of research we cannot compete... The Line now stands from Odessa through the Prippets Baltics into Leningrad... Russians pull back in Fear of the Mighty Luftwaffe... Hitler hides in his Bunker fearing that this may be the end. In the West the Allies are now finally Strong Enough to be a Threat in the East we cannot crack the Front. Russia and Germany Equally have lost around 23-24 units... We outnumber them, they're superior in experience now and technology. Winter is comming again soon, 1944 will be upon us Long Live the Reich

LOL, I still haven't read the manual... I offer something else up, 2 HQs linked offer more supply to those out of supply. so my friends no more worries about being out of supply in the middle of nowhere at least you'll have some if you know how to use an HQ as an actual Supply Source Ought oh enough secrets, figure it yourself

JESUS H on a bicycle, what do you get from Egypt? 2 ports, 3 cities HR? I know you inflicted heavy damage but he doesn't even have to fight Normandy now, he inflicted far more damage in Egypt. With Malta effect and the need to garrison Egypt it's likely you'll never regain those losses... Only hope is that Axis Navy is Now Dominate and somehow or another can perform a Sea Lion. I think such a dedication to Egypt by Axis was foolish! Be better to just halt and take Vichy-Tunisia-Greece-Yugoslavia... USSR will not take on Germany and Germany will be -Many Ground Units needed... Anyways, Egypt was a glorious sounding campaign. Not like those I've experienced. UK had some teeth.. Sounds as if you could've easily taken the UK instead of Engaging Egypt?

I wasn't aware the Jump was so drastic, I should read up a little better. On a Major I can see where the chits if "lucky" could be a Major Factor especially to say an Axis who slowplayed and was cautious and then Russia jumps her bones and she is ill-equipped It's an X factor definitely though an Expensive Risk..What isn't, the Tech you get is all a risk, I've had games in SC1 5 chits in a category a dozen times and it remained at level0 for ages and never got beyond level1...and even won at that LOL

Sounds like an interesting Desert War. lots of resources being thrown out there for it! I have to ask HR, is Rommel in charge? I missed that... 9 Allied units??? JESUS with a fortification going to take some massive AXIS AIR, perhaps a second HQ.

Blashy I suppose I'm forgetting the open door to invading Portugal, killing Gibraltar, and freeing the Italian Fleet

Tag, why would Partisans arise in Polish Occuppied territory? Similarly Belarus, not even faithful to the Motherland, they didn't even post 1 corps to defend them! I'd feel gimped by Joseph Stalin, and as many Ukrainians did, 300-400 thousand of them, look it up I'd serve Adolf...Partisans are people, they are common, they do not look after the greater good they just hate their oppressors as for Amphibs, guess it makes it cost. Has to cost or people will amphib everything near the end where Diplo nolonger matters? right [ April 17, 2006, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Liam ]

Well, you're right, you better make certian you bring your reinforcements for Minors, I got caught on 3 or 4. With an army, 2 corps amphibing a strength 3 corps surviving these minors were ill equiped.. The consequence IS NICE cookiecutter is cutback, but not enough in some cases. This is the only place where Diplo is advanced, you really can hurt yourself if you don't watch what you're doing. Actually Reds must have gone Heavy into Production Techs plus I couldn't kill many of them. Maybe 7 or 8... He's pulled all out of the Front.. Forced me to engage him where he wanted me to... I should've maybe taken Moscow but I do not know the value of doing it... there are A LOT of Red Corps, that has hurt me and my tanks have not been that valuable.. he has 3 total vs my 7 Allies vs Axis.. and no tech has hurt me. I do have chits and I have been very very cautious in spending pre-Barby

Dear Blashy, not one player I've heard so far out of 6 has said anything positive about Chits in Diplo. In fact not 1 has ever used them for anything, they'd work maybe on a country pushed to 90% in cost benifit Ratio.I haven't bothered...the only Country the Axis could move is Spain... What am I going to do put in 250 into Spain and wait 3 years? Also same for Iraq? When would it pay off, Iraq only has 1 oil at half production I'd be better off Invading a Minor and taking the hit. Never would... I never bother to look at the diplo screen after USA enters because it doesn't matter. We don't..... Too many other areas that need your MPPs, like Infantry Tech... As are Subs, pretty worthless, because the Royal Navy doesn't have anything to do after Sea Lion Threat is gone, so if you do not directly threaten the Isles Subs are fodder. Only with Pure luck or against inept opponents do any of these areas counts. I'm just learning also I already can see this clearly

Views: Neutrals used as both spotters and prepared for War is Really Warping the game... On Both ends me and Rambo have used Neutrals to block attacks and to blockade whole navies, invasions units, really really gay... Navies, Transports, Amphibious Transports pre-War Entry is bad. And Tech toward Diplomacy is worthless... It needs to be raised a bit to make it worth it. Only Iraq has any serious odds here... Yugo never even entered has sat at 77percent all game.. Air is powerful though Carriers are not what they were. Land based Fighters are the Backbone of the Western War. Mobility and Infantry Weapons are deadly! Especially on open terrain or where you must manuever, outdo tanks early and you do not have to research two seperate categories. Capitol ships banging resources and not destroying or harming Units on them is a pain, the damage they recieve makes realism! The Russians be able to pull back and prepare is hard to cope with, and since the Axis run out of supply I think that if the Russians abandon the front line, partisans and Scorched Earth should be lost! It shows the Ukraine, Belarus, etc... that their Motherland didn't care about them and it allows the Axis time to really wreak havoc instead of getting locked up in the Middle of Summer offensives. Naval Combat, and the damage inflicted is warped. Morale is a difficult factor to calculate and you'll find constant engagements and no real outcome. Except if you're really low on Morale or Effectiveness. Tech Is KingKong... Very deciding factor... so far as I can tell there needs to be rules regarding Amphibious Transports, Armies assualting strength 3 Corps should not be so weak...and the constant use Amphibs should be limited by certian Powers. Plus Raised Penalties for Minors raised in the wrong place. Right now the Diplomatic Sector is a sleepy one because a few percent just doesn't do it in time to make a difference in most cases. All in all you cannot neglect the fact you have few units as say Italy, you cannot Corp Swamp. And as Germany you need plenty of Land units for the East and some for the West, balanced... UK is a Gimp as she should be with a level of Air and Naval Power... US I haven't witnessed yet. Russia is almost too powerful with her early tech possibilities... I think that should be cut back if the Allies cannot force a Hole through Normandy-West anywhere they've failed Russia shouldn't make up for their shortcommings. Russia with her terrain can hold out vs anything with a competent General. with Weather, it is safer to say Sea Lion is a better route to success... That or just sucking the Russians and Western Allies dry and holding the "key citites for victory" this is a conservative view, not an aggressors view

Broken Down into Campaigns that way I recall, long game ended last night Late Summer of '42 Poland: Germans, encircle Corps, Cut of Supply to most of Poland, Take Warsaw 2nd early, but Poland doesn't surrender till late, because of Excess units. Germans suffer minor casaulties, and operate West France-Benelux-Denmark: Bad Weather until Spring of '40 and no Early planned Offensive, Germans maneuver for best position. Benelux and Denmark fall easy, France assaulted all out... Crushing defeat as the French do not reteat from the Maginot or border with Benelux. Germans lose one Army, take heavy losses, no Air Duels. Inexperienced French Leadership but all over good Tactics and bad weather make it Late Summer till the Nazi Juggernaut Polishes off France. 1 Army Loss, but despite this, we engage the BEF in Normandy, killing it and badly damaging a R.N. Carrier... John Rambo learns his lessons about attack hit and withdrawl and do not occuppy a Port I can reduce even while a Ship is on it North Africa: This is a Steamroll once more, Runstedt Afrika Corp, storm across Egypt with Their Italian Allies occuppy it, cut off a British Army and destroy it. No losses and entirely decimate the RAF in the region, all the rest of the Egyptian defenders retreat to England via the Suez before cut off. TransJordan slowly falls under the Swatika... Tunis: The hardest battle yet fought for the Axis, 1 year of constant air and land bombardment until Axis forces are freed up from Jordan, Allied French Corps serving there hold out the longest of the War so far. We take the Capitol though finally with Luftwaffe and Italian Air Support.. Italian HQ revealed and also a Pitched Naval Battle is fought, Italian Sub engages and badly damages 2 British Battleships, this is effectively the end of the War in the Med for the Allies... Tunis finally surrenders to the Italians Greece: Tough Cookie with Axis air, falls along with amphibious Invasion by Italian And German forces. German Forces Operate and manuever east to Fight the Russians....... Neutral Report: Norway is Neutral, Germany favours a Free and Independant State there... As does Yugoslavia, noticing the caregiving attitude of Uncle Adolf. Who practices a tolerant ViewPoint upon his Sphere of Influence. Battle of the Atlantic: A worthless sideshow, 3 U-Boats all sank easily by the Allies, barely burdened Allied Cruisers. USSR: 5 Airfleets, 4 or 5 Armored Armies, 7-8 Armies, 5 Corps and an assortment of Axis Minors assualt...2 German Battleships 2 Cruisers All the frontline cities fall like little Dominos, Any attempt at a Russia defensive is Crushed, Minsk-Leningrad-Kharkov-Rostov Line with a Pocket pushing toward Stalingrad and the Volga... Sevastopol the only strongpoint 1941 1 Russian Armor smashed up on the Mines in the South attempting a counterattack, superior German Experience beats Superior Russian Technology in Tanks. German has level 0 Armor, USSR up 1 or 2. A german halt toward Moscow, just 2 hexes away, Leningrad Surrounded in 1941 Fall... Finland Joins, in the South another halt toward Vorenzeh... Mud sets in, Winter sets in, during both in the South the Pocket aiming toward Stalingrad is cut off by a Strong Red Army counterOffensive, Siberians Transfer. 1 Germany Army destroyed, 1st since France. Germans Rally, with ingenuinity, protect nearly 3 Axis units cut off East of Rostov, regroup... All over the front, the Winter is costly. The Russians have time to regroup, strengthen and launch counter offensives along the North and South Army Groups... The South hardest hit, Partisans cut of supply, Winter Supply hurts our Fighting men... but we hold!!! In the West: UK attempts to invade Normandy, 4 Luftwaffe Fighters, 1 Italian Fighter and Italian and matched Wermacht Troops crush the attempt. 1 German corps lost but British expelled from Europe. Prinz Eugen, Scharnhorst, Gniesnou all lost but heavy damage inflicted upon the Royal Navy. Heavy damage upon their land forces as well. UK Carriers level 1 LR 1 Fighter tech.. We pounch them and the UK is out of the Fight for at least a year refitting. Tirpitz and Bismark return from the Pitched battle in the English channel unscathed, having sunk 1 British Cruiser. Not the Hopes of the Kriegsmarine with much higher Morale but France is Liberated Axis. 1942: With his Siberians and the USA entering the War: Operates back East with Air and then Italians-- Germany launches a 2nd attempt at domination of of the Caucasus and Stalingrad-Volga region... Russian Armor, Armies several behind rivers hold out counter attack, it is a disaster. 1 German Armor is massacred, 1 Germany Army, 1 German Minor Army, couple of corps. Russians reveal level3 Infantry Weapons... Germans still at level1... Finland is invaded, and frontline Fins crushed, German Air is the only thing holding the Russians from Helsinki, killing of a Red Army in the Isthmus badly damaging a few others... Few battle exchanges in Army Group Center, Von Manstein is operated there with Reserves... All and all the Russians have superior technology and now the Front is long with the Volga, Germany Retreats back, to the Leningrad-Minsk-Rostov Line... Digging in, Awaiting Winter.. West: Ireland is invaded, the Swiss are quite angry. Brest again is Battled over, Germans leave it undefended only 1 US Corps falls there... Axis invade Vichy. Capitol falls, Algiers likely next. Final Summise: Russian tech, supply, Terrain has been VERY difficult to manuever in or this game would be over, weather has mostly been crap for me this whole game and fairly good for John, John has made good use of his units, behind Rivers, in Marshes, forcing Axis to fight where they're worst in that Region. IN the West we've totally dominated... Our Air is the best in the World, very important is that the UK has suffered a lot of losses and had to reinforce a lot of units we have kept her a gimp, that is slowly changing. For the First time Axis are now the underdogs in Numbers, and tech as such revealed: Italy: Mobile 2 Inf AT 0 Infantry Weapons 1 Germany 1 1 1 Inf Air Jet1 LR1 Tank 0 mobile 1 UK: Air 1 1 USSR: Air 1 Armies 1 3 Tank 2 I think now Jets 1 or 2 USSR Experience level lifted during our weak Late Summer Early Fall '41 Offensive, I think the decided factor as Hitler had done, we did not give a knockout blow to the Red Army in '41... a Big Error..but had we been cut out of supply in Winter in there could've been the opposite. I had a hard time fighting through marshes, Mountains to get to the HeartLand of Russia. 80-90% of all Russian Terrain Axis are fighting on is in Marshes, forests, Mountains through Rivers. The Open Real Estate near Moscow we've left alone very well defended, and the Volga-Caucasus Region the main concentration of the best Red Forces. We've a strong belief that the Russians have a Strong Industrial tech due to the heavy amount of units they keep pouring out of their factories This game is up in the Air, and control of it's key but sadly with Weather and the huge Fronts not the deciding factor as it was in SC1.. We've built MANY units, enough to cover every tile along our frontlines, so me double stacked contrary to what the betatesters had told us, lost few as well. This has been a conservative well fought real first time for John and my 2nd sorta game... I'm not winning but I do not think the Russians alone can defeat the Reich... Let Rambo add his two cents, this game has gone on for 10-14 hours is now Oct 1942 P.S. the Other Tech Goodies I'm not revealing God knows what Rambo and I have hidden our Pockets [ April 17, 2006, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: Liam ]

Alright, this is the Skinny, me and Rambo loaded up the Demo 1 side as Liam as Axis 1 side Rambo As Axis... 1st Game: Listen careful folks there is huge Pointers and this is the game broken down with bugs and all. Hopefully Rambo adds his two cents after work